Of all the courageous warriors for truth
to whom we pay tribute on these pages, Svali is
an exception. Her name is a pseudonym, and it is
not known whether she is dead or in hiding. But
her testimony is so shocking, and of such
critical importance, that in our view it is
utterly clear that we must honor her here.
Svali is, or was, an American woman born into an
Illuminati bloodline. When she was twelve years
old, she was taken to the Vatican for a ceremony
she was told would be very important. What she
witnessed - an actual child sacrifice (the child
was 3 or 4 years old, and appeared to be
compliant) on an obsidian slab over a large
pentagram in a basement catacomb - is told in
her extraordinary interview with Greg Szymanski.
Everyone visiting our site must hear this:
All Illuminati children are heavily
conditioned to be obedient, patient,
self-controlled, and totally loyal to the
"family". Some are groomed for the military or
politics; others are prepared for business - or
even 'businesses' such as prostitution.
Marriages are arranged, one reason being to
strengthen ties between different bloodlines.
All the members of the families have respectable
fronts as "normal" people to the degree that
no-one who is not in the group would ever
suspect the duality of their character and of
their life. Meetings often occur at night. In
these meetings children are "trained" using
drugs, hypnosis, and shock-reward conditioning.
They can, in Svali's words, all handle and fire
a weapon with deadly accuracy by the age of 8.
Higher levels of politics are heavily Illuminati
occupied and controlled, in all western
countries. In the United States, the population
is about 1% Illuminati or Illuminati assets. Do
the math: that's about 3 million people. You may
even know some of them, and have never
suspected.
Svali is also an exception in that very few
Illuminati members ever leave. The conditioning
is just too great... and to leave means
abandoning spouse, parents, children, house,
money, everything. Very few people make the
break. Svali reports that she was only able to
leave after it dawned on her that, because she
was telling lies to the Illuminati children as
an Illuminati "trainer" (her role or job in the
"family"), she must have been lied to herself
when she was young. She converted to
Christianity ('real' Christianity: she described
various Christian churches as heavily Illuminati
controlled) and this gave her the strength to
leave. She gave one major radio interview, and
had a website (suite101.com) which has now been
taken down. She wrote prolifically for a while,
but has not been heard from since 2006.
There is a lot of information on her on the
internet: Google 'Svali' and start reading.
Click here for one of the most important
interviews you will ever hear, mentioned above.
Click here for the transcript, which was
prepared by our friend David Wilcock, who
corresponded with Svali before she disappeared,
and appears briefly on Greg Szymanski's
interview.
The simplest summary of the entire Illuminati
agenda and net of control is probably Henry
Makow's 2002 article
here. It is reproduced below.
Illuminati Defector Details Pervasive
Conspiracy
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
October 14, 2002
[reprint]
If you detect the devil's hand in current
events, you may be closer to the truth than you
think.
A woman who was raised in the Illuminati cult
describes a powerful secret organization
comprising one per cent of the U.S. population
that has infiltrated all social institutions and
is covertly preparing a military takeover. Her
revelations cast the "war on terror" and
"homeland security" in their true light.
"Svali" is the pseudonym of the woman, age 45,
who was a mind "programmer" for the cult until
1996. She was the sixth head trainer in the San
Diego branch and had 30 trainers reporting to
her. She has risked her life to warn humanity of
the Illuminati's covert power and agenda.
She describes a sadistic Satanic cult led by the
richest and most powerful people in the world.
It is largely homosexual and pedophile,
practises animal sacrifice and ritual murder. It
works "hand in glove" with the CIA and
Freemasonry. It is Aryan supremacist (German is
spoken at the top) but welcomes Jewish
apostates. It controls the world traffic in
drugs, guns, pornography and prostitution. It
may be the hand behind political assassination,
and "terrorism", including Sept. 11, the
Maryland sniper and the Bali bomb blast.
It has infiltrated government on a local, state
and national level; education and financial
institutions; religion and the media. Based in
Europe, it plans a "world order" that will make
its earlier attempts, Nazism and Communism, look
like picnics. One other detail: these people are
not happy.
Svali's courageous testimony explains why our
children are no longer taught civic values, why
they are being habituated to homosexuality and
violence, and why our "culture" is descending
into nihilism and sexual depravity. It raises
the possibility that George W. Bush and his
Administration are Illuminists and much of the
world "elite" is engaged in a mind-boggling
criminal conspiracy.
In March 2000, Svali began writing a monthly
column for survivors of Illuminati ritual abuse
at Suite101.com. In December 2000, H.J.
Springer, the editor of CentrExNews.com
contacted Svali and conducted an extended
18-part interview with her by email, which is
reproduced on line and is copyrighted.
[Project Camelot note: suite101.com and
centrexnews.com are no longer on the net. 13 of
the 18 parts of Springer's interview are
reproduced
here.]
"I am convinced she is the real McCoy," Springer
wrote to me. "I have personally relayed numerous
email messages to her from other members --
ritually abused, brainwashed, raped, sexually
abused people & you name it -- some of them
confirming to me her story. So I have absolutely
no doubt that Svali has been part of the
Illuminati since childhood."
I also trust Svali's testimony because it
confirms my intuition and intensive research.
Everything fits: from the dead hand that seems
to suppress humanity to why Clinton gave secret
technology to the Chinese, to persistent reports
of concentration camps in the US. It explains
why people I know behave in a conspiratorial
way. I thank Svali for giving me a frightening
but incredible key to understanding the world.
A friend urged me to beware of a hoax and
offered to help confirm Svali's personal story.
I accepted. I invite you to read her entire
testimony and make up your own mind. Read "Part
1" to "Part 18" first, starting at the middle of
the list and working up.
With their permission, here are some highlights
of Svali's correspondence with CentrExnews.com's
H.J. Springer. I have also included material
from her article
Are the Illuminati Taking Over the World?
Pervasive Presence
Svali:
"The Illuminati are present in every major
metropolitan center in the United States. The
Illuminati believe in controlling an area
through its: banks and financial institutions
(guess how many sit on banking boards? You'd be
surprised) Local government: guess how many get
elected to local city councils? Law: children
are encouraged to go to law school and medical
school. Media: others are encouraged to go to
journalism school, and members help fund local
papers.
Beliefs
Svali:
"The Illuminati is a group that practices a form
of faith known as "enlightenment". It is
Luciferian, and they teach their followers that
their roots go back to the ancient mystery
religions of Babylon, Egypt, and Celtic
druidism. They have taken what they consider the
"best" of each, the foundational practices, and
joined them together into a strongly occult
discipline. Many groups at the local level
worship ancient deities such as "El", "Baal",
and "Ashtarte", as well as "Isis and Osiris" and
"Set".... I do know that these people teach and
practice evil."
Weishaupt
Svali:
"Weishaupt did not create the Illuminati, they
chose him as a figurehead and told him what to
write about. The financiers, dating back to the
bankers during the times of the Templar Knights
who financed the early kings in Europe, created
the Illuminati. Weishaupt was their "go fer",
who did their bidding."
Military Takeover
Svali:
"Briefly, each region of the United States has
"nerve centres" or power bases for regional
activity. The United States has been divided up
into seven major geographical regions. Each
region has localities within it that contain
military compounds and bases that are hidden in
remote, isolated areas or on large private
estates.
These bases are used intermittently to teach and
train generational Illuminati in military
techniques, hand- to- hand combat, crowd
control, use of arms, and all aspects of
military warfare. Why? Because the Illuminists
believe that our government, as we know it, as
well as the governments of most nations around
the world, are destined to collapse. These will
be planned collapses, and they will occur in the
following ways:
The Illuminati has planned first for a financial
collapse that will make the great depression
look like a picnic. This will occur through the
manoeuvring of the great banks and financial
institutions of the world, through stock
manipulation, and interest rate changes. Most
people will be indebted to the federal
government through bank and credit card debt,
etc. The governments will recall all debts
immediately, but most people will be unable to
pay and will be bankrupted. This will cause
generalized financial panic, which will occur
simultaneously worldwide, as the Illuminists
firmly believe in controlling people through
finances.
Doesn't sound pleasant, does it? I don't know
the exact time frame for all of this, and
wouldn't want to even guess. The good news is
that if a person is debt-free, owes nothing to
the government or credit debt, and can live self
sufficiently, they may do better than others. I
would invest in gold, not stocks, if I had the
income. Gold will once again be the world
standard, and dollars will be pretty useless
(remember after the Civil War? Our money will be
worth about what confederate money was after the
collapse).
Next there will be a military takeover, region
by region, as the government declares a state of
emergency and martial law. People will have
panicked, there will be an anarchical state in
most localities, and the government will justify
its move as being necessary to control panicked
citizens. The cult trained military leaders and
people under their direction will use arms as
well as crowd control techniques to implement
this new state of affairs. ...Military bases
will be set up, in each locality (actually, they
are already here, but are covert). In the next
few years, they will go above ground and be
revealed. Each locality will have regional bases
and leaders to which they are accountable. The
hierarchy will closely reflect the current
covert hierarchy.
About five years ago, when I left the
Illuminati, approximately 1% of the US
population was either part of the Illuminati,
sympathetic to it, or a victim of Mind Control
(and therefore considered useable). While this
may not sound like many, imagine 1% of the
population highly trained in the use of
armaments, crowd control, psychological and
behavioral techniques, armed with weapons and
linked to paramilitary groups."
Leadership
Svali:
"The national council [consists of] influential
bankers with OLD money such as: The
Rockefellers, the Mellon family, the Carnegie
family, the Rothschild family etc. I know I
shouldn't name names, but I will.
The "Supreme World Council" is already set up as
a prototype of the one that will rule when the
NWO comes into being. It meets on a regular
basis to discuss finances, direction, policy,
etc. and to problem-solve difficulties that come
up. Once again, these leaders are heads in the
financial world, OLD banking money. The
Rothschild family in England, and in France,
have ruling seats. A descendant of the Hapsburg
dynasty has a generational seat. A descendant of
the ruling families of England and France have a
generational seat. The Rockefeller family in the
US holds a seat.
This is one reason that the Illuminati have been
pretty "untouchable" over the years. The ruling
members are very, very, very wealthy and
powerful. I hope this information is helpful.
How do I know this? I was on a local leadership
council (a head trainer), but I talked to those
on regional. Also, every Illuminati child is
taught who their "leaders" are, and told to take
an oath of allegiance to them and the "New Order
to come"."
Royalty
Svali:
"The Illuminati leadership state that they are
descended from royal bloodlines, as well as
unbroken occult heritage.
See, there were two definitions of "royalty"
used. Open royalty that is currently seen now,
and "hidden royalty" of royal lineage and
extreme occult power. Sometimes the two were
concurrent, such as with the Prince of Wales.
I never thought of which country/line held the
most power, since I was just a peon busily doing
my job. But my understanding was: The Hanoverian
/ Hapsburg descendants rule in Germany over the
Bruderheist. They are considered one of the
strongest lines for occult as well. The British
line is just under them, with the royal family.
Definitely, they rule the UK branch under the
Rothschilds in the occult realm, even though
parliament rules the country openly.
In France, again, descendants of the royal
families are also in power in the occult realm,
but the French Rothschilds hold the reigns over
all of them."
Rank of the US
Svali:
"The U.S. is considered lower, and younger, than
the European branches. ...Germany, France, and
the UK form a triumvirate that rules in the
European cult. The USSR is considered important,
and has the strongest military groups. The USSR
has been promised fourth position in the New
World Order, BEFORE the role the U.S. would
have, because the USSR has been more helpful and
cooperative over the years with furthering the
agenda.
The descendants of the former ruling families
there are also involved in the occult
leadership, along with the newer ones. There is
no Marxism in the cult. China will be ranked
after the USSR, then the U.S. But a lot of the
current U.S. leadership will be in Europe when
the change occurs, and many have homes there.
They will be "changing nationalities" overnight,
as it were. This is the little that I do
remember. Wish I had been a better student of
this stuff, but I was too busy trying to stay
alive when I was in it.
Russia will be the military base and powerhouse
of the group, since their military commanders
(Illuminist) are considered the best in the
world, and very, very disciplined. China,
because of its roots in oriental occultism, and
its large population, will also be considered a
higher power than the US. But again, the real
power will reside in Europe, according to what I
was taught when part of the group.
The United Nations
Svali:
"The UN was created early in this century in
order to help overcome one of the biggest
barriers to a one-world government ...That
barrier is the one of nationalism, or pride in
one's country. This is why it was NOT a popular
concept when first introduced, it took years of
country bashing in the media and the destruction
of any sense of national pride by a (not so
subtle) media campaign over the years.
The UN is a preparation, but it is not the real
power in the world, and will be relatively
unimportant when the NWO comes into being. The
real councils will then step forward. But as a
means of getting the general public to accept
the idea of a "global community" and the "one
world community" the UN is a stepping stone in
their working towards the NWO."
Israel
Svali:
"The conflict in the Middle East is only to the
advantage of the Illuminists. They HATE Israel,
and hope one day to see it destroyed, and are
biding their time. One of the olive branches
offered by the UN when it takes over is that
they will prevent war in the Middle East, and
this will be greeted with joy by many.
At the same time, the Illuminati covertly supply
guns and funds to BOTH sides to keep the
conflict fuelled. They are very duplicitous
people. They used to funnel guns through the
USSR to Palestine, for example, in the name of
promoting "friendliness" between the USSR and
this state and other Arab nations. Then, the US
Illuminists would help funnel guns to Israel,
for the same reason.
These people love the game of chess, and see
warfare between nations as creating an order out
of chaos. The USSR is going to get stronger
again. It has too strong a military both openly,
and covertly (ALL Illuminati military trainers
have visited Russia to learn from them) to sit
quietly and quiesciently to the side. In the
NWO, they will be stronger than us."
Is the Illuminati a Jewish conspiracy?
Svali:
"Absolutely not. In fact, Hitler and his people
(especially Himmler and Goebbels) were top
Illuminists. The Illuminati are racist in the
extreme, and as a child, I was forced to play
"concentration camp" both on my farm in
Virginia, and also in Europe in isolated camps
in Germany.
The Jews historically fought against the occult
(see Deuteronomy and the Old Testament for how
God through the Jewish people tried to cleanse
the land of the occult groups that were
operating there, such as those who worshipped
Baal, Ashtarte, and other Canaanite and
Babylonian gods.
[from an email to Henry Makow]
Yes, there are some very powerful Jewish people
in this group. For instance, the Rothschild
family literally runs the financial empire in
Europe (and indirectly the States), and are a
well-known Jewish family. I have also known
people whose parents were Jewish diamond
merchants in the group, and at every level. But
to rise to power in the Illuminati, a Jewish
person at night would be forced to renounce
their faith, and to give their first allegiance
to Lucifer and the beliefs of the Illuminati. In
return for this betrayal, they believe that
power (financial) and rewards come; and in one
sense they do, but at too high a price (losing
their eternal soul).
The Nazi/concentration camp mentality is very
strong, though, and I was told that Hitler,
Himmler, Goebbels, and others were high-ranking
German members of the group (Himmler was higher
than the other two), and Mengele their paid
puppet as well, who later worked as a high
trainer of the American branch between his
periods of hiding in South America. They
honestly believed that they were acting as
agents of their 'gods' to exterminate the Jewish
race, and I am so, so sorry that this group has
enacted so many horrors on the earth (and so, so
glad that I left it).
I hope this helps you. I have always wondered
this, though, why some of the highest ranking
financial families in the group (baron
Rothschild of France is one of the 13 European
lords, or "kings" that run the group in Europe,
and sits on the World Council) are Jewish, yet
the group espouses hatred of their own race."
Are they racist?
Svali:
"Lots of Illuminists have Fourth Reich
programming inside. The Illuminati are racist,
and have a very "Aryan" outlook. They believe
strongly in the rule of the "pure" and
"intelligent" by their definitions, and in their
ceremonies, there will occasionally be
minorities killed in ceremonies.
They are trying to breed a "genetically
superior" race to rule, with their children and
descendants. They are also followers of Plato's
Republic, and believe that they will be the ones
to usher in this "Utopian" rule with the NWO in
their opinion. In their Utopia, the
intelligentsia will rule, and the sheep like
masses will follow their leaders (that is their
view of the world; that the occult leaders are
"enlightened' and intelligent, while the average
person is a "sheep" to be led by the nose)."
Freemasonry
Svali:
"The Freemasons and the Illuminati are hand in
glove. I don't care if this steps on any toes,
it's a fact. The Masonic temple at Alexandria,
Virginia (the city itself was named after
Alexandria, Egypt, and is a hotbed of Illuminati
activity) is a centre in the Washington, DC area
for Illuminati scholarship and teaching. I was
taken there at intervals for testing, to step up
a level, for scholarship, and high ceremonies.
The leaders in this Masonic group were also
Illuminists.
This has been true of every large city I have
lived in. The top Freemasons were also top
Illuminists. My maternal grandparents were both
high ranking Masons in the city of Pittsburgh,
Pa. (president of the Eastern Star and 33rd
degree Mason) and they both were also leaders in
the Illuminati in that area.
Are all Masons Illuminati? No, especially at the
lower levels, I believe they know nothing of the
practices that occur in the middle of the night
in the larger temples. Many are probably fine
businessmen and Christians. But I have never
known a 32 degree or above who wasn't
Illuminati, and the group helped create
Freemasonry as a "front" for their activities."
CIA, FBI are all infiltrated. So are
Mormons, etc.
Svali:
"Many of the administrators and directors at the
FBI are also Illuminists. The CIA helped bring
over German scientists after WWII. Many of these
were also Illuminati leaders in their own
country, and they were welcomed with open arms
by the U.S. group. They also funnelled all
information they were learning to the
Illuminati.
The Mormons affiliated years ago in a meeting
with Illuminati leadership in the 1950s. The
same with the Jehovah's Witnesses."
The Cold War
Svali:
"Russia was never really a threat to us. Marxism
was funded by the Illuminati, and espoused as a
counterbalance to capitalism. The Illluminati
believe strongly in balancing opposing forces,
in the pull between opposites. They see history
as a complex chess game, and they will fund one
side, then another, while ultimately out of the
chaos and division ..., they are laughing
because they are ultimately beyond political
parties. A top western financier will secretly
meet with an eastern or Russian "adversary"
during those years, and have a good laugh at how
the "sheep" were being deluded. I am sharing
here what I was taught, and also observed.
They are truly an international group, and the
group's agenda supersedes any nationalistic
feelings. There is also a lot of trading back
and forth of members in these groups. A Russian
trainer might come to the US for awhile,
complete a job, then go back, or vice-versa."
Assassin Training
Svali:
"Here is how it is done (how it was done to me):
[1] When the child is 2 years old, place them in
a metal cage with electrodes attached. Shock the
child severely.
[2] Take the child out, and place a kitten in
its hands. Tell the child to wring the kitten's
neck. The child will cry and refuse.
[3] Put the child into the cage, and shock them
until they are dazed and cannot scream any more.
[4] Take the child out, and tell them again to
wring the kitten's neck. This time the child
will shake all over, cry, but do it, afraid of
the torture. The child will then go into the
corner and vomit afterwards, while the adult
praises them for "doing such a good job".
This is the first step. The animals get bigger
over time, as the child gets older. They will be
forced to kill an infant at some point, either a
set up in VR (virtual reality), or in reality.
They will be taught by age 9 to put together a
gun, to aim, and fire on target and on command.
They will then practice on realistic manikins.
They will then practice on animals. They will
then practice on "expendables" or in VR. They
will be highly praised if they do well, and
tortured if they don't comply.
The older the child or teen, the more advanced
the training. By age 15, most children will also
be forced to do hand to hand combat in front of
spectators (high people who come to watch the
"games" much as the ancient gladiators
performed). These matches are rarely done to the
death, usually until one child goes down. They
use every type of weapon imaginable, and learn
to fight for their lives. If a child loses a
fight, they are heavily punished by their
trainer, who loses "face". If they win, they are
again praised for being "strong' and adept with
weapons. By the time they are 21, they are well
trained combat/killing machines with command
codes to kill and they have been tested over and
over to prove that they WILL obey on command.
This is how children in the German Illuminati
are brought up, I went through it myself."
Trust in Family
Svali:
"They tell their children as they are torturing
them, "I am doing this because I love you." To
them, the greatest love is to make a child
strong, and fit to lead or to move higher in the
group, by whatever means it takes.
If a leader sees a child, and wants it as a
prostitute, the loving parents will give it
away, happy that their child will rise in
status. Also, again, they view betrayal as the
greatest good. They will do set up after set up
to teach their children to never openly trust
others.
I remember hundreds of agonizing set ups and
betrayals, and hearing when I was betrayed or
wounded, "And such is the heart of man." Those
doing this to me thought they were teaching me
something of value, that would help me. And
because of the vicious and political nature of
the group, in one sense they were right; the
naive get stepped on and wounded. I have known
parents who tried to spare their children some
of this out of love, but often they were
overruled by other family members, who viewed
these parents as "weak" and "unfit" to teach
their child."
Morale
Svali:
"Most of them are wounded, abused victims, who
don't realize that it is possible to leave the
group. There is a lot of discontent in the
ranks, and there would be a mass exodus if the
members believed it were really possible to get
out (and live). Many of the trainers I knew (I
know, wicked, torturing pedophiles) were NOT
happy with what they did. They would whisper
quietly, or give a look, to show that they
disagreed with what they had to do. They would
resignedly do their jobs, in the hope of
advancement.
Know what one of the biggest carrots offered to
those who advance up in the group is? That you
don't have to hurt people anymore, and that you
can't be abused (it's true: only those higher
than you in the group can abuse you, so everyone
wants to move up, where the pool of candidates
becomes smaller). Of course, people can choose
to abuse anyone beneath them, and that
motivates.
The Illuminati are a very political and back
stabbing group, a "dog eat dog" mentality;
everyone wants to move up. These are NOT nice
people and they use and manipulate others
viciously. They cut their eyeteeth on status,
power, and money.
They never openly disclose their agenda, or
their cult activities, as often they are amnesic
to them. These are well-respected, "Christian"
appearing business leaders in the community. The
image in the community is all-important to an
Illuminist; they will do anything to maintain a
normal, respected facade, and DESPISE exposure.
....
None of the Illuminists that I have known, had
unkind, or evil appearing, persona in their
daytime lives, although some were dysfunctional,
such as being alcoholics. The dissociation that
drives the Illuminists is their greatest cover
... Many, if not most, of these people are
completely unaware of the great evil that they
are involved in, during the night."
TV
Also, remember those studies that stated that
"TV violence doesn't affect children's
behaviour" years ago? Guess who funded them?
They are a bunch of bullcrud. What a person
watches DOES influence them, and this is well
known by the behaviourists in the group. In
fact, they know that TV is a tool that they
purposely use to influence "the masses". It
cannot create a total personality change in the
average citizen, but it can desensitize us
increasingly to violence, pornography and the
occult, and influence the perceptions of young
children.
Rock Music
I believe that Britney Spears, Eminem, and
others are being used by them to sing lyrics
they like (ever notice that he wears a Neo-Nazi
look and sings hate lyrics? This is NOT by
chance). In fact, many of the top pop singers
come from an internship with the "Mickey Mouse
club" (yep, good old Walt the Illuminist's
Empire) and I believe they are offered stardom
in exchange for allegiance or mind control.
How many lyrics advocate suicide, violence,
despair, or New Age spirituality in pop/rock
today? Or just get a copy of the words and read
(but be aware that many are possibly triggering
to survivors of mind control).
Illuminati Weaknesses
Svali:
"1. Their arrogance (I think I mentioned this
before) is their weakness. These people think
they are untouchable, and this could make them
careless.
2. If by a miracle, enough people took this
SERIOUSLY and started organizing in some way to
stop the Illuminati take over, with prayer and
God's guidance, perhaps they could be stopped. I
hope so, with all of my heart.
3. Stopping pornography and child prostitution
and drug smuggling and gun running would take
out a huge chunk of their profits. Maybe they
would slow down. But honestly, stopping the
above would be as difficult as stopping the
group."
Public's Denial Mechanism
Svali:
"The evidence is there, but in my opinion, the
average person does NOT want to know, and even
when confronted with it, will look the other
way.
The Franklin case is a point. How much evidence
has come out? Or the MK-Ultra documents that
have been declassified, shown as real, and
people ignore it.
Okay, I'll get off my soapbox. But I believe
that the media that downplays ritual abuse is
feeding into a deep need in the average person
to NOT know the reality. In fact, how can a
person face the fact of great evil in mankind,
unless they have either a strong faith in God,
or are faced with insurmountable evidence? We as
human beings want to believe the BEST of our
race, not the worst, IMHO.
I really don't believe people will do anything
about the Illuminati even if they know. Sorry
for the cynicism, but it is based on a lifetime
of experience.
The Illuminists don't care who prints this
stuff, or if they are "exposed" because they are
counting on the majority not believing it,
having done a pretty good job with a media blitz
campaign (seen any articles in Newsweek or Time
lately that addresses this other than as a
laughable conspiracy theory? Guess who owns
Time-Warner?).
I have heard them laughing about this very thing
in leadership meetings five years ago, and I
doubt their attitude has changed much since
then. If people DID believe this, if action
could be taken, then I would be very surprised
and quite happy."
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