Interview with Dan Burisch, Former Microbiologist for
Project Camelot, June 2007
e were delighted to have the chance to interview Dan again
almost a year after our first meeting -- for details of
which please see below. In this second in-depth interview,
which arose from our having presented him with a long list
of questions of our own, Dan goes into great detail about
both the technology and the politics of the
Stargates and the Looking Glass. He also discusses the
'Cube', which may or may not be the same device as the
fabled 'Yellow Book', or the 'Black Box' reported by our
In this fascinating interview we found Dan once more to be
outspoken, challenging, informed, values-driven,
mischievous, human and likeable.
We also want to take this opportunity to publish an
announcement, as supplied by Marci McDowell, who works
closely with Dan. Marci asked us to make the following
formal statement on Dan's behalf:
Dr. Dan Burisch is on a necessary hiatus from
official public contact until later this year. Unfortunately, there is very
little that I am allowed to say, regarding what Dan is doing. We have
informed the public that he is NOT working for Majestic. Majestic no longer
exists. Dan retired from that group in September, 2006. Majestic sat
formally adjourned in October, 2005.
I can say that Dan's present activities are
so important, pressing and secret that those in the new group, the group
which took over from Majestic at the end of 2006, the group for whom he has
agreed to make himself available, sought him out for this assignment and
insisted that he is limited to no public contact until after December 14,
2007. This will provide the time for him to complete his activities with
them, and be debriefed from the assignment. His present assignment is
National Security related. Due to the nature of the assignment, Dan has
accepted and been sworn to a National Security Oath.
activities for the new group, Dan and I will be publishing our new book,
'Emanation of the Solfeggio', which will detail cutting edge discoveries in
the area of acoustics. Next year, he and I will be speaking publicly (in
person) about Project Lotus - the groundbreaking investigation into a
strange silicate-associated phenomenon which may be altering the genomes of
every living organism on planet earth. We are presently scheduled for an
academic venue and planning a general audience presentation. (Introductory
video trailers are already on Google.) A new edition of our work on Mars
and Earth anomalies is also underway.
At the time of the interview Dan was unaware of this new
development, and so this was not mentioned or discussed when
we spoke. We have no further inside information, but can
surmise that at least some of the issues raised in the
interview are likely to be connected. This new interview is
itself in two parts.
Secrets : Dan Burisch revisited
A video interview with Dan Burisch
Las Vegas, June 2007
Most students and researchers of the UFO/alien phenomenon need no
introduction to Dan Burisch. Articulate, provocative, human,
compelling, and – as some insist – challenging to believe, Dan
and his story are integral components of our efforts to
understand and come to grips with the bewildering labyrinth that
is the mystery of who the aliens are, why they are here, how we
interact with them, and what may be at stake.
When Project Camelot was granted an interview with Dan, we
traveled to Las Vegas not knowing what to expect. In Dan and his
colleague Marci McDowell we found two very human people whom we
quickly came to like. We built an excellent relationship with
them, and shot over two hours of video which we present here.
Whatever you currently know, believe you know, or don't know
about Dan's experiences, we think you will find it of
Dan discusses his experience in Area 51, where he befriended a
captive J-rod called Chi'el'ah; his complex relationship with
Chi'el'ah, extending across decades and timelines; his
connection with Majestic-12; the war between Majestic and the
Illuminati; the race to close down the Looking Glass technology
and secure the man-made stargates leading up to 2012; the
calculated chance (19%, or 1 in 5), that 4 billion people will
die from natural catastrophes triggered by the activation of the
manmade stargates; the twists and turns of the convergent
timeline paradox that affect the aliens from the future as much
as they do ourselves; and much, much more.
In this unique interview, Dan is entertaining, humorous,
serious, emotional, articulate and sincere, as he responds to
incisive questions... all the questions we ourselves wanted to
ask in order to better understand his experiences.
At the time of recording, it was thought that this might be his
last interview. This unique testimony will give viewers a long,
close-up look at the real Dan Burisch. We hope you enjoy and
appreciate your time with him as much as we did.
Out from under Majestic : Dan Burisch
A video interview with Dan Burisch
Las Vegas, July 2006
Kerry: OK. ... I’m very pleased to be with Dan Burisch
Dan: I just introduced myself...
K: Well, actually, I would like you to sort of give a brief
introduction, ah, who you are and what you’re known for.
[humorously] Maybe what you’d like to be known for?
D: Aside from cantankerous activities...
K: Uh huh.
And, ah disobeying certain, authority structures. Well...
I’m a microbiologist... a retired one now, but continuing
somewhat the practice involved in a very unusual project
called Lotus. I am a twenty-year retiree from Majestic,
first having been brought in in 1986 under the auspices of
the Committee of the Majority, and specifically working for
the Majestic-12 assigned to Project Aquarius. I suppose I’m
more known for meeting a J-Rod? Ah, and working at S-4.
Aside from that, I don’t really know what I’m known for,
aside from irritating a bunch of people on the web that
don’t want to hear about me.
K: OK. So you worked for Majestic and you were basically, I
mean, in brief ... and I know there’s a really long history
as to how you’ve ended ...
D: Right. Well, Lotus was an accessory project. It wasn’t,
you know... it was funded because everything that I was
doing at the time was being funded, ultimately, by them.
But, ah, it was an accessory project. It wasn’t something of
a critical nature for... for the Majestic, or as I believed
for a long time. However the principle of the Lotus
ultimately ended up being a rather, ah, earth-shaking item
for the participants at the T-9 conference a couple of years
The T-9 conference
K: What is the T-9 conference?
D: It... during the course of speaking with
extra-terrestrials, and our interactions with them from the
1950s onward, there have been a series of treaties
established between we and they... they meaning the future
human intelligence. Time-travelers. And there have been a
... As a consequence of our relationship with them, there
have been more than one treaty system in place. During the
last one of those treaty negotiation and signing times I had
the privilege of being in the presence of the negotiators,
at the conference which was held in the state of New Mexico.
K: And there were how many aliens present at the time?
D: There were two... four... six, and a few in the strollers
behind the curtains, so we had, ah...
K: A few in strollers? I’m sorry. What was that reference?
D: They’re unable to cope for long periods of time in our
K: I see.
D: Our present atmosphere. They’ve adapted, if you will, to
the atmospheres of their... their particular future
timeline. And as a consequence, coming here would be
oppressive to them, existing in our standard temperature,
and our pressure. So they have been provided unique, sealed
off, pressurized, systems that they would be moved around in
by their attendants, basically on a Segway-type transport
system, where you can push it and it will actually move
forward... very easily maneuverable.
K: I see. So that’s what you meant by a stroller system.
D: Right, right.
D: And so they were encapsulated in their strollers in their
positions as negotiators for their... ah.... their time.
K: Are you saying that these aliens that were present at
this conference that happened... what, this year? Last year?
D: A couple years...
K: A couple years ago, in which they discussed... I’m
assuming it was Lotus.
D: Between 2003 and 4.
K: I’m sorry?
D: Between 2003 and 2004.
K: And they discussed the Lotus project?
D: It was brought up and in fact, ah, as part of the
negotiations the P+45,000 group of J-Rods, wanted the codes
for the Lotus principle added into the treaty negotiations
so that they could use it in their own attempts to
ameliorate their particular neuropathies.
K: Wow. So they saw the value...
D: They wanted to use it.
K; So they saw the value right away.
D: They saw potential value for it...
K: Uh huh.
D: ...and they wanted to use it for that purpose. It was my
argument that it should not be used for a particular
purpose, that this is, moreover, part of a natural system
which has been put in place by whatever god that one would
want to deign as being the creator of the universe, as part
of a natural system and not to be controllable by humankind.
In so doing...
K: Or by alien kind, by inference?
D: Well, they’re humans. They’re humans.
K: You would consider them humans.
D: They’re humans.
K: OK, so...
D: They’re human beings, albeit different from what we, ah,
would expect to see as a human being. But then again if we
look in the history, the presently accepted history, of the
evolution of humankind... If one were to walk, ah, into a
conference held by Neanderthals, one would be taken aback.
Well in the same way one may be taken aback by walking into
a conference with these gentlemen.
K: OK. So you’ve got two kinds of aliens. And people that
are watching this... some people may have no idea about
the... the T-2... the two timelines...
D: Probably not. And we actually had three kinds of
extra-terrestrials, human lineage extra-terrestrials,
present. Two kinds of P+45,000 years from now if we were to
translate over to Timeline 2. (Difficult subjects, aren’t
they?) [smiling] Ah... two representatives from that time.
Two representatives from P+52,000 years ahead J-Rods... both
of which generally have the anatomical configuration of what
would be in ufology called Grays.
D: Gray aliens. And two representatives from P+52,000 Orions
who would generally, I guess, in ufological circles I guess
one could say, would call Nordics... or Talls.
K: OK. And, and .. were there...
D: Actually they are more human-like, but have larger eyes,
very blue eyes, blondish hair, etcetera.
K: I see. And... OK, well, of course I’ve got many questions
on this score...
D: So do I.
K: [laughs] But, and for people listening, we would also
like to know, were there any “reptilians” present?
D: ...No.... not per se.
K: Ok, can you...
D: What I’ve come to understand... and it’s generally held
... I think I can say it’s generally held within our
society... that the notion of a reptilian is a misnomer. And
I’m not saying that to apply a negative connotation to the
stories that individuals have brought forward, probably
Portals = Micro-Wormholes?
...But that when you view or observe, ah, what would be
called a Gray... what I would call a J-Rod... ah... the
particular ruddy configuration of their skin, that changes
in the sudoriferous glandular structure of their... of their
skin, can make them appear, during exacerbations of the
illness, very reptilian in appearance. And also possibly
preying mantis type, ah, in appearance. They have... They
are also suffering from a Cockayne-like syndrome which makes
them lurch forward, so they appear very preying mantis-like.
So I think that possibly many of the accounts which have
forthrightly come from individuals who have actually been
abducted by the P-45s, have maybe been interpreted as being
reptilian in appearance because of their skin structure. But
they’re not really reptiles.
D: Now, I’m not saying.... I’m trying to be inclusive here
... that there are things in they... the... in the mind of
man and in the glorious universe of God that I don’t know.
That there’s a possibility that individuals have been...
have encountered alien species not to my reference. Given
the fact... I mean, you know... Gosh, I’ve had to accept the
fact that there are human beings that many years ahead of us
on another timeline co-existing in reality. How hard would
it be for me accept that there are other extra-terrestrials
of non-human lineage? Of which I’ve only been briefed about
one, which was an extra-dimensional species, who have
referenced other extra-terrestrial species that I know
K: Mm hm.
D: How hard is it for me to accept that, after I’ve been in
the presence of a human-lineage extra-terrestrial? I don’t
have a problem with that, but at the same time I don’t have
evidence to support it either. “Reptilian” in that, if one
were under stress, and one had no previous reference to
their biology, their pathophysiology, their particular
problems, one could reasonably expect, out of a group of
people experiencing them, that more than fifty percent of
the group could probably say that they were reptilian in
K: Hm. OK, that’s interesting.
D: That’s the best I can say...
K: So their appearance morphs to some degree into more of a
K: ...under stress...
K: ...is... what you’re saying? I mean, maybe you don’t like
the word morph.
D: I’m saying people could interpret them that way.
D: Reasonably be expected...
D: ...to interpret them that way if they do not have a
scientific grounding in what they’re looking at.
D: You know, I’m trying not to... I’m trying to be inclusive
of reports of individuals that have no reason to have come
forward and say things that they’ve said, for other than the
fact they’ve experienced something. I’m trying to
understand, or maybe... help people to understand why they
may have interpreted it as well...
D: ...these things in this way. However, they may have
actually come into contact with something which was fully
reptilian in appearance.
D: I don’t know. I haven’t...
D: I’m trying to be honest at the same time tell people...
because apparently it’s happened to me... that it’s OK...
that they were abducted, and...
K: OK. Apparently what’s happened...
D: ...and, ah, that it’s happened.
K: OK. Apparently what has happened to you?
D: Well... in 1973 I was playing in a park in southern
California, in Mae Boyar Park. This is probably going to
come out in one or more versions of the debriefing of me. I
was playing baseball with my grandpa in the park. And I was
having him throw me a ball so I could catch it over my
shoulder. I was trying to run away at the same time and he
would throw the ball so I could try to catch the ball like
Willie Mays’s famous catches. During one of these throws of
the ball... I remember looking up toward the sun... it was
high in the sky at the time, it was summertime ... and...
glancing away because the sun was blinding me; looking down
toward the grass, which was very bright green at the time;
and then seeing a flash where the grass appeared to turn
black. I appeared... from my perspective I was... I was
covered in a shadow. The shadow reminded me of a triangular
D: ...that I had played with, with my grandfather over the
riverbed nearby. And that’s the way I was basically able to
describe it at the time. I was... what, I was nine. I was
nine at the time. Ah... Then I remember a flash. Immediately
there is a disjoint memory of this... it’s not contiguous...
where I saw my grandfather sitting over by a tree several
yards away from me. And the sun had clearly moved in its
aspect to me, so time had clearly passed. The Earth had
moved and the time had passed. At least several hours had
passed. He was very shook up. I ran over to him, asked him
what happened and he didn’t want to talk about it. He said,
“You’re OK now. You’re OK now.” And he wanted to go home. So
he walked me home immediately over the overpass over Del Amo
Boulevard and we went home. This precipitated a major
domestic upset between my grandparents and my mom and dad.
Ultimately this domestic upset resulted in my grandparents
And around that same time, I was having unusual dreams. And
in the dream I would wake up... Do I think they were
probably dreams now? No... But I would wake up and I would
walk from my bedroom through the restroom which connected
between my bedroom and a small laundry area that went to a
doorway off the north side of our house. And to the right of
that laundry area there was a closet. That’s the closet
where my grandpa used to put his work jacket and his work
boots. He worked at Gaffers & Sattler’s as an enamel dipper,
dipping pieces in enamel for... manually... for things like
appliances, stoves, etcetera. And he would come home every
day just covered in enamel dots all over his jacket and his
boots. And I would open the door to that closet and that’s
all I can remember from the dream.
K: Uh huh.
D: But I knew that I was meeting somebody called Harry. He
was a little friend. And I know that as knowledge, that I
met a little friend there, but I have no visual memory of
what Harry looked like.
It was finally... because I finally told my mom and dad
about it... and it was finally rationalized away that I
was... because I was still watching Sesame Street at the
time, that it was Oscar the Grouch. And that’s the way my
mom put it. She said, “You’re thinking about Oscar the
Grouch. Because he looks furry and hairy.” And from that
time on, as the dreams continued, I then remember seeing
Oscar the Grouch in my dream, but not in the closet, ah, in
the restroom, or... you know, past the restroom. But I
remember just seeing a picture of Oscar the Grouch. So I
felt very calm about it after that. I... you know, I
accepted it, as a boy.
K: So how... OK. So you were in... You were abducted in
some... in.... in something that you don’t remember the
details of. Is that actual experience...
D: Yeah, I told you what the...
K: ...one that’s missing time...
D: ... the actual memory of it from my boyhood... that is
it. Now I remember, possibly, and I’m not sure over the
years whether this was confabulation or not, because I was a
boy at the time. I think I remember seeing a tall person...
like if you take a movie frame, like one frame, or a flash
of a still picture...
K: Uh huh.
D: ...like an iconic memory almost... of a tall person
standing next to him at the tree.
K: Next to your grandfather.
D : My grandpa. Yeah.
D: And he refused until the day he passed to discuss what
happened. He would become extremely agitated. And John Doty
for certain had many conversations with him... and maybe
even John would...
K: This is your father and mother...
D: Yeah... they’re my mom and dad that I grew up with. I’ve
learned certain things about my family since then that are
really neither here nor there, having to do with who was
actual biological father and biological mother and things
like that. But... they were my mom and dad. They are my mom
and dad. I mean, they are the mom and dad I remember growing
up with and, ah, I...
K: But they are not MJ-1...
D: No, no.
K: OK. But MJ-1 is.... Somehow this... this abduction
occurred... of your experience seem to have resulted in you
becoming or you being viewed as the son of MJ-1. Is that
D: Right, right. What happened is this: I also learned of
what happened to me from Chi’el’ah, the J-Rod that I met at
D: He showed me from his perspective what had happened to me
D: I saw myself being pulled by my chest, upward, off the
surface of the park. I saw my grandfather going like this
[acts out holding head in hands] and basically panicking...
crying, because he wasn’t able... My grandfather was very
protective of me... and he wasn’t able to protect me. And
now I understand, God bless him, why he was so upset. The
one person in his whole life that he.... knew that he would
protect, that he loved that much to protect... but he
couldn’t protect at that moment. And I understand...
D: ...why he was so upset. But the J-Rod showed me what
happened to me, that I was picked up and that I was laid
down on a table in some sort of a craft, ah.... and that
this craft was a generally... ah.... chevron-shaped, almost
triangular shaped craft. And I was laid down next to a
series of young people, one of which was in fact the son of
the former MJ-1. Something went wrong during the the course
of my time on board the craft, when samples were being taken
of me for their studies. And the son of the former MJ-1
died. During that time they put some sort of equipment on
me. It almost looked like an EEG type... ah, a neural net,
if you will... the receivers, probes... electrodes, if you
will... on me. And they were trying to save, desperately
trying to save... And I could see the... the movement of the
J-Rods around this other boy. And I know what he looked like
and all of that because I’ve seen it through the eyes of
Chi’el’ah. They were trying to save him, and he ultimately
passed. During that time, apparently they were trying
whatever technology that they employ to save the boy by
“storing” him. Ah.... that Chi’el’ah was with the P-45s at
the time. These were P-45,000 J-Rods. And they looked at
us... They look at us as no more than, ah... containers
or... cylinders, almost. Almost like beakers full of
material, electromagnetic material. And so they were trying
to save, store, his energy if you will... [voice off
camera]... Right. Marci has suggested the word vessels.
Right. Ah, they were trying to store him for a while, I
guess, in me.
Now, my memory of myself at the time was a rather dull boy
that liked to play baseball,, and with GI-Joes and things
like that. The record of me at the time was that I had an OK
acuity in science. That’s what the elementary school
teachers were saying. I don’t remember having acuity like
that in science. And there is a disjoint in my own story of
myself because of this. Because after I was put down... back
in the park, over the course of the next couple of years
there were changes in me. But, then again, there should have
been because I was growing up. But there was a substantive
intellectual change in me where I was no longer interested
in those same things of my youth. Was that maturation?
Probably some of it. Was it a change as a result of what was
done with me on board the craft? The Majestic thinks so,
thinks that it had something to do with that other boy.
Because that other boy was known as very bright in the
sciences. And all of a sudden, true enough, I got a
hankering for Erlenmeyer flasks and boiling flasks and
microscopes that I’d never had before.
K: OK, but...
D: And that I’ve possessed ever since.
K: On some level, the MJ-1’s son that was on the craft, next
to you, that... that possibly you received, ah... a soul
transfer from... Is the MJ group had to be cognizant of what
was going on. In other words...
D: They knew that that had happened...
K: And they knew during the time...
D: He’s admitted to me that they knew that that had happened
at the time...
K: But, in other words, was this... ah... So you were
chosen, in a sense.
D: I believe that I was ... The only evidence... I don’t
D: I don’t know. The evidence that I have was that I was...
from hearing about the sampling program... was that I was
picked up as a random population sample... ah... the son of
blue collar worker... and just the son of a blue collar
worker. My family was total blue collar. But there are a lot
of coincidences that suggest that people were moved into a
place to later teach me. It happened before 1973. Can I put
my finger on that and say, “Oh yeah, they knew what was
going to happen to me and that I was going to be picked up?”
I can’t say that because I wouldn't be honest, but I get the
feeling as though... [looks off camera] Marcia has held up
two letters to me: LG - for Looking Glass.
K: Oh, I see.
D: She knows more...
K: I see, I see.
D: I’m sitting here in the presence of an individual that
actually knows more of the truth, and cannot tell me, for
whatever reason... more of the truth about what’s happened
to me, than I know.
D: She’s just held up the word, the letters LG for Looking
Glass. She’s indicating to me that they knew.
K: In other words... and Looking Glass is the ability to
look into the future, so what you’re suggesting...
D: It’s a machine for that use. Yeah.
K: ...MJ-12 was using Looking Glass, perhaps saw that the
first son of MJ-1 was going to die and planned to groom you
to carry on...
D: It’s possible.
K: ...in his place.
D: It’s possible.
K: Uh huh.
D: But I’ve never been told by them. That.
K: Did J-Rod...
D: Excuse me... but the humans have been forthcoming, that
that is the reality involved, because, I mean, even... and I
don’t know for certain that he was ever read into the
program, God bless him... Jim, my mentor... Dr. Jim
Reynolds. He was moved into places that almost set him up
perfectly for Doty’s call, my mom’s call that day, to talk
with him at Long Beach Memorial Hospital. And she has since
admitted to Marci that she received a sum of money. There
are some not-good things here, and I still love them both
for everything that they’ve done for me, but yet there’s an
incompatibility now because I’m still the eight or nine year
old boy in their eyes, that they are willing to try to take
sovereignty away from. It produces an incompatibility in the
K: What we’re trying to find out, though, is how did you
hook up with MJ-1 after that? I mean...
D: Well, the first time that I saw him was at the back of
the meeting room at the George C. Page Museum, when I was a
member of the Los Angeles Microscopical Society.
K: How old were you?
D: 13, 14, somewhere in there.
K: So it was a few years after...
D: It was a few years after I started becoming really
interested in all the beakers and the microscopes and things
like that, when I was introduced to Jim Reynolds at Long
Beach Memorial Medical Center. Jim Reynolds then introduced
my mom and myself to John deHaas, who was then Associate
Professor of Protozoology, as I understand, at University of
Southern California. He was also the head of deHaas Optical,
a microscope salesman, who then put me in contact with the
Los Angeles Microscopical Society at the George C. Page
Museum, with whom he was associated as a member, as a senior
member, in fact, at the time. During the course of my
association with the LA Micro Society, I saw the former MJ-1
walk in the back doorway. I sat at the back right of the
room, where my “spot” kind of was. And I noticed him just
standing back there, and he kind of just blended in with the
crowd that was kind of coming and going. And he looked at
me. And I looked at him ‘cause I noticed he was laying a
little too long of a gaze on me. And I was paranoid as it
was. I was scared to death just being around these bright
people. Ah... These were accomplished scientists. Zane Price
was one of them, who was the head of the Electron Microlab
at UCLA. And these were accomplished people. And I noticed
he laid this gaze on me from the back of the room. And he
took his lighter and he lit... he opened it. It was a Zippo
lighter and it had a United States Navy seal on it. And he
just popped it and lit it, and closed it up and walked out
the back door. I had no idea who this dude was... scared to
ask anybody because I didn’t want to look stupid. You know,
I was a geeky teen. Later on I find out that he just wanted
to introduce himself to me early on. He just wanted to see
where I was in my life at the time. Now, of course, the
association was already established because of his son
Michael and all of that business, from ‘73, and this was
like 1975... ‘76 ...
K: Uh huh.
D: ...right in that general time frame.
K: So... OK...
D: That was my first meeting with him. And I didn’t really
meet with him at the time; he showed himself to me.
K: I understand. And you have since developed a relationship
with him such that there is affection there and he does
consider you his son...
D: He treats me very son-like. Yes.
K: OK. But would you also say that it’s his... you know...
he regards you as his son literally. Or does... I mean, he
must be conscious of the shift, or the transfer....
K: ...that took place.
D: He knows what happened on board...
D: We’ve had long discussions about this.
D: In fact, during a short... Well, we had an entire night
discussion about it one night. You know, I’m trying to do
the right things by everybody and that‘s the only reason
why..... to be honest, I mean, you know... my debriefing
must come out to the public to the extent that the authentic
message, the truthful message, of what I saw... what I’ve
seen... comes out... ah.... and that concerns the
extra-terrestrial issue. But the rest of it... my losing my
knees out at Mae Boyar Park and falling at the base of the
tree where my grandpa was, that’s not required. But for
people to know that it’s not bullshit...
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a real human being behind it, as messed up as they are, probably
Yeah. They ought to know that.”
Relationship with Chi’el’ah: J-Rod
Kerry Cassidy: I’m going to tell you honestly. When I saw Bill
Hamilton’s segment, interview with you and you’re talking about
your relationship with J-Rod and how you communicated with him
Dan Burisch: Uh huh.
K: That struck me as incredibly real. And from that point on I
was very interested in what you had to say.
K: Because I said, this man really experienced this. This is not
bullshit. This is the real thing.
K: So if you could reiterate, kind of how you started working
with J-Rod ...
D: Well, he was working with me before I ever knew him. Of
course, he was on board, as I understand. I have no memory of
him directly but I mean, as I understand it, in ‘73... he had
traveled to ‘73 and then ... this is even what I said to Jeff
Rense on the phone. You know, I said, “My God, if this doesn’t
boggle.” I mean, it boggled my mind. And when you think about
paradoxes to start with. That he traveled to ‘73, I was picked
up and then he subsequently traveled back to the ‘53 timeframe
and there was a crash. Which means that he was held at S-4 in
1973, at the time that I was playing baseball with my grandpa,
and that he was also on board the craft, impinging into our
time, lifting me up. Prosaically, man, it sounds crazy, but,
yeah, it’s a paradox, I guess, I mean... but I actually came
into direct contact with him at the end of 1993, the start of
Yeah, there is something wrong with him. During the entirety of
my experience around him, he appeared the best that I can
describe is “off-shifted.” Almost like... I mean, he was
physical. I felt him through the glove. There was matter there
with me, but almost like he was a ghost with a body. He didn’t
belong. He did not belong where he was. Yet when he would
communicate, when he would do the entrainment... ah... they
“thump” you. Almost... it’s almost acoustically. They thump you,
and... until they finally come into contact with the brain-level
waves where they can begin communicating. And it comes in waves.
It’s almost like flukes on a dolphin. It comes in waves. And
then you feel yourself pulled in. As the entrainment is
occurring the perception is being pulled in to his eyes. Very
unwieldy [chuckle] feeling. But then they entrain, bring you ...
bring you down to, you know, relaxed almost to a theta state,
like an 8 hertz thing, theta state, where you’re very, almost
like drowsy and they tell you, you know, they’re not going to
hurt you. He did that. He actually said that he would not harm
When he stepped forward on me, when we were doing the old
“bride’s dance,” as we nicknamed it, where I would... I was
supposed to step forward to him, almost like taking a bride’s
step up the aisle, and then he did the thing back to me almost
jokingly... but it was so unwieldy because he broke the
protocol. It was like everything that had been established of
trust at that moment... it went to hell. And I got so afraid.
There was an animal response in me at that moment, a very, very
human animalistic response... “Get me the hell out of here.”
Yeah, I stepped backward and fell backward on to my back and
that is really what I perceived myself as doing. As I said to
Jeff [Rense], I felt like I was a cockroach, you know, lying on
my back in there. And he walked up on to me. I heard them
yelling, “Fire the repress.” They were going to intumesce him.
They were going to hurt him, so that he wouldn’t hurt me and I
was trying to yell “No!” and I’m not even sure to this day if I
really yelled “No” or if it was just in my mind. The stress was
that bad at the moment. And he walked, literally walked, up on
to me and sat on my chest. He didn’t knock me over or anything.
There was, I think, Ron or a couple other people said, “Oh we
know he knocked you over in the clean suit.” He couldn’t knock
me over. He was too weak to knock me over. Even if he wasn’t,
given his size he couldn’t have knocked me over.
K: And how tall was he?
D: Just a little over three feet, hunched down.
K: Uh huh.
D: Almost four feet if he was to be extended out lengthwise, if
he would be lying on his back and extended out lengthwise. But
the malady, the the pathologies, under which he was suffering,
caused him to have... weakness, change of gait, change of
stance, where most of the time he was extremely hunched over
forward and he really couldn’t stand up straight. When he would
walk he would wobble and kind of shuffle. He was very ill, very
K: So he got on your chest. He walked on to your chest, or sat
on your chest.
D: He was actually sitting on my abdomen area but he was leaning
forwarding on his hands on to my chest, pushing me down.
K: Was he... so he was communicating at that moment that he
wasn’t going to hurt you?
D: Yes, he said, “I won’t hurt you, Be-anie.” He called me Be-anie.
And that goes to Beanie... He broke English up very strangely.
K: And you heard this in your head, I’m assuming...
D: I heard it in my head.
K: ...it wasn’t out loud.
D: No, I heard it in my head, in my own introspective voice but
clearly not coming from me.
K: Uh huh.
D: You know the sound of yourself when you talk to yourself.
Self-talk. It’s the same sound except... it’s the wrong
linguistics, the wrong wording. You can tell it’s not you. And
initially when that happens, too, there is a... From my
perspective initially when it was happening, there was a very
panicky feeling. But of course that initially happened when I
was part of B-unit team when Steven [Dr. Steven Mostow] was
still going in to the clean sphere. He looked at me through the
clean sphere and spoke to me and said, “I remember,” and
K: Meaning he... the person who was... you called... what was
his name, again? The J-Rod looked at you...
K: Chi’el’ah looked at you when you... when Steve was in the
clean sphere with him...
K: ...he turned around and looked at you...
D: Yeah. He turned around and looked at me. I was part of a
B-unit team to start with. In fact, that was going to be my
actual occupation in there, was assisting the chief scientist
and going into the clean sphere, until he identified me as
somebody, I guess, special to him... Chi’el’ah ... and he wanted
me to be the person to go in there. That’s why I was promoted,
ultimately, to the working group later in there. Because I
didn’t have the background, did not have the seniority. I... it
was not my place. But that’s why the, the promotion happened.
K: OK. So...
D: The way a lot of promotions happen in the world, I think.
K: [laughs] To go back...
D: The Peter Principle.
D & K: [laughing]
K: So he went on to your chest, he told you he wasn’t going to
hurt you. Did they actually zap him then or did they...
D: I don’t believe so because I would have felt... he began to
entrain me immediately and strongly. He relaxed me. The
encephalins and endorphins were going big time. They entrain on
several levels and they are able to relax you by actually
flooding you with natural opiates.
K: Uh huh.
Marci: Like a runner’s high.
K: So. What happened after that? You... I’m assuming...
D: Or the high that you receive as you are going through the
natural death process.
K: Uh huh.
M: Uh huh. Yeah. Where you naturally kick out the opiates...
K: But... OK. So, but what happened after that?
D: Ah... after that I began to sink away from what was going on
in the clean sphere and with the panic that was going on over
the radio... because I heard ‘em. We had two separate units, an
E unit and B unit on the radio. They were like separate radio
frequencies. And I could push the button and talk independently.
But they were stepping over each other, screaming, saying, “Get
a secondary unit ready,”... to get me out of there. They were
going to enter in to pull me out. And you can’t just step in
there that quickly. I mean, they’ve got to suit somebody up to
bring them in. You knew before you were going in there that the
J-Rod ... ah... We were trained that they were a threat.
D: So that we were not supposed to communicate privately with
them or anything like that we had a certain job to do and we
would get it done. And that was the scientific job of removing
the samples and then the study of the samples for the back
engineering use of the reversing life chemicals.
K: The idea was to reverse his... an illness that he and his
people have ...
K: The 52s?
D: The 52s. And what we were trying to do initially... jumping
off on to the biology a little bit... what we were trying to do
is we were trying to actually strip the exterior cytoplasm off
from the cells and... ah, produce cells which would be
independently functioning, then to understand those cells
biochemically, genetically, so that those cells could then be
re-added as a graft into the J-Rod to attempt to ameliorate the
neuropathy. That’s what one of the, the stated goals was. Easier
said than done. But...
K: So okay...
D: We were told, though, that if something would go wrong in
there, there would be no immediate fix. You, you weren’t a
million miles away, but you were several thousand when you were
inside there. So you were very alone even though you had radio
communication. It was essentially being isolated on the space
shuttle, if you will. And not that easily... you know, not that
easy to get you home. Because they had to do all the
repressurizations of the gantry, bring somebody new in, then get
you out, then get you detoxed ... the cleansing... the
decontamination, and then get you out of there, then get you out
of the suit, then give you medical treatment. So we’re talking a
couple hours. So if something goes wrong in there... and they
are potentially able to harm you because of the, the
entrainment... you’re dead. And that’s... you accepted before
you ever accepted going in there. And... But to a large part it
wasn’t, you know, it wasn’t bravado on our part, saying, “It’s
no big thing,” but you had to accept that just to work inside
the facility. You knew that if there was a... a contamination,
if the alarms started going off, the old joke was, “Get in a
straight-backed chair, and lean way over and kiss your ___ good
bye.” It was over. Because if the alarms started going off, you
were sealed into the facility and they were going to pump the
gas in and fire the fuel-air device. Whoa! That’s what the...
that’s what the explosive valves were for. The so-called escape
tunnels, for you to get out in case there was an emergency?
Those were blow-off vents...
D: ...so they could blow off and explode the facility, blow off
out of the Papoose Range and keep the remainder of the facility
K: So... but your experience with the J-Rod and the other ones
you’ve met have basically... Were you afraid for your life at
any time? In other words, did you actually...
D: I was afraid for my life when he stepped toward me.
Absolutely I was.
K: At that moment...
D: At that moment, but it was a very transient... you know, it
was an ephemeral moment.
K: How did you...
D: ...that, that passed off very quickly because biochemistry
helped me calm down when he entrained me.
K: How did you feel, though, in your, sort of, interactions with
him? In other words, do you feel that... You said that you
didn’t remember knowing him in the original meeting...
K: ...in the space ship. Right?
K: But he remembered, clearly.
D: He remembered.
K: So did you feel that you actually developed a friendship with
D: Oh, I absolutely did. I absolutely...
K: ...and that it grew over time... or did you feel that it was
D: That’s a good question. I’ll say that I felt a kinship to him
all along from the time that he first looked over at me. And
that may have been a consequence of me being picked up in the
park. That may have been. My trust in what he was saying to me
grew over time.
Marci: Because I remember asking you that. I specifically asked
D: Yeah. My trust grew over time.
K: But it was perhaps on a deeper level...
D: There was an extant kinship there with him.
K: Uh huh.
D: And I think that may have started because of the pick up in
’73, I think. I’m trying to surmise it. There was a pickup of
the jovial nature of our friendship over time. Certainly...
because I’ve got kind of a strange sense of humor and he was
able to be friends with that kind of same weird sense of humor,
where he would look over at me and he would tell me that... what
his behavior was... because I couldn’t tell when he was happy or
when he was sad because of physical characteristics, that
easily. You know, you can tell fairly quickly with a human being
from now: if they’re happy they’re smiling at you. But I
couldn’t tell if that was pain or what it was on his face until
he specifically informed me that that’s his smile, that’s his
laugh. As that grew, my relationship with him grew. I became
more attuned to his physical responses as well and I think that
picked our friendship up as well because I’m more associating
with another human being with physical reactions as well, you
know, in the communication. And they were less so. So that was
difficult. That was very difficult. Until I became attuned,
where I became more relaxed into what his physical responses
were. When I knew he was laughing, after that, then that got me
into trouble with the folks in the facility because I reacted
naturally to his physical responses. And so I would smile or
whatever over at him, and they would say, “What is transpiring
between you two?” I’d hear it come over the radio.
K: Uh huh.
D: Sometimes I would out and out lie to them and say, “Nothing.”
Because I was afraid. I had... I did... I had a fear of losing
his friendship too, because I wanted to learn more from him. And
so I was willing... and these are the same people that, you
know, will point the gun at me with very little compunction
against it. I was willing to be friendly, too, because he was a
captive there as I was feeling, too, a captive within Majestic,
because I had been brought into a program that I had no clue for
what I was being brought into. So I felt kind of trespassed
K: Uh huh. So you had a camaraderie in that sense.
D: Yeah. We were both prisoners in our own right.
K: Did you think that he had the ability to protect you?
D: No. I... in fact, it was... if anything, it was the other way
K: Uh huh.
D: I was covering for him and a lot of his anger. He had anger
in him too, and pain. And anger as a result of pain from the
samples being removed. I was covering for him by not telling
them of the anger, because then they would have followed an
operant conditioning protocol that had been set in, against him,
to penalize him. So I was actually protecting him.
K: So, but did he...
D: He’s a human being, for Christ’s sake. I mean, you get stuck
with a needle enough times, you get perturbed. And when you’re
being treated like crap on top of it... a prisoner is a
K: In what way was he treated like crap, as you put it?
D: If he wouldn’t respond as they told him, they would fire a
repress valve and change the pressurization in the clean sphere,
causing mild to moderate intumescense, a change of pressures in
his skin, because he was of lesser density, physical density, as
in weight per volume, density. The reason why I’m clarifying
that is I’ve heard a lot of new-agey comments about 4th density.
I don’t know about all of that. As in weight per volume type
density, he was less dense, physically, than we were. His bone
structure was less dense than we were. So when they would fire
the, the repress valve, or they would intumese him, it would
cause him great pain. And I was screaming “No!” and I think, you
know, that the time that he stepped up on to me, I think they
thought the better of it at the moment because he was clearly
entraining me at that moment. So if they would have fired the
pressurization at that point, I would have felt the pain that he
was feeling. And it might have killed me, I don’t know.
K: Right, because you developed a... from what I understand, you
developed ... like the movie ET, you developed the ability to
actually feel his pain.
D: Well, it wasn’t even... it wasn’t even developed. It was
K: Oh, it was immediate.
D: The thing which was developed.... and I’m not sure. It may
have actually been some sort of a neurological habituation. I’m
not certain of that. But the thing which was developed was the
inability to disentrain, to break off from him.
K: Even when you left the clean sphere? In other words,
regardless of where you were?
D: [nodding yes] Within, ah, a certain range. Within, you know,
like a 15 meter range from him.
K: For example, right now?
D: I was... I could...
K: Right now, could you...
D: No, no no no.
K... feel his pain?
K: If he wanted you to feel it, could you?
D: No, I don’t believe so. I don’t believe that they’re, ah...
capable. I mean, you know, we’re talking... now we’re talking
K: Uh huh.
D: ...his lack of physical existence in our reality. And even if
we’re talking no time difference, we’re talking about a linear
distance of how far between here and Reticulum. Good God. No.
K: He’s back at Reticulum now?
D: Yeah. Far as I’m aware.
D: Far as I’m aware.
D: As far as I’m aware as to where he returned to. That’s the
best information I have. And, frankly, from the time that...
when it happened in 2003 they don’t even want to discuss the
matter with me because it’s a real sore point. I did what I was
not supposed to do.
K: Oh... you pushed him through a time hole...
D: I pushed him into...
K: ...a star hole.
D: ...one of the stargate units, yeah, into the gray patch
between the posts. Yeah.
K: And that was the end... at the end of your relationship with
D: That was the end. That was the last time I saw him.
K: I mean, was that...
D: It was the end of their relationship too, which is why
they’re so pissed off.
K: Why were you motivated to push him into...
D: He asked me to. He told me he wanted to go home. He wanted to
see his son. So I did.
K: So he was a prisoner, but at some point you were in a
position... I’m thinking this was in Egypt.
D: It was.
K: Somehow you guys were, were taken to Egypt?
D: Yeah, I was flown there.
K: And so was he.
D: Yeah, but over a different transport. He had... he was
already present by the time of my arrival. There was a
communication protocol going on. He was communicating something.
I was never really told. All I was told was that there was a
problem with his communication and they wanted me to be there to
cause him to relax or whatever, to facilitate the discussion.
And so they wanted me basically there as an idola theatri, as an
idol of the theatre. They wanted me present. They wanted me
there, as a ruse of kinship with him.
K: And had you...
D: And the kinship was no ruse. And that’s something that that
they misinterpreted, I guess, over these years, that I have more
of a kinship with a present day human versus him. And to me,
although he was, he was off-set, although he appeared different,
that he didn’t belong, he’s still a human being, and a human is
a human is a human to me. So I had a... I had a true friendship
with him. There was true affection there between the two because
he was showing me things from his childhood and I was showing
him things from mine and we were actually enjoying each other’s
experience of each other in a... a friendship. It was a true
friendship and I don’t really think that Majestic ever regarded
it that way. They feel themselves so damn superior, or that
we’re superior to them. And maybe it’s a reaction. I don’t know,
maybe I’m rationalizing it, that it’s a reaction to the P-45s
feeling that we’re inferior... the so-called rogues’ feeling of
us. Maybe it’s some sort of a railing against that or a reaction
against that, that they developed the attitude. I don’t know,
but I know that I wasn’t superior to him and he wasn’t superior
to me... much brighter, but we’re still just human beings. And
just ‘cause somebody is brighter than somebody else, it doesn’t
mean they’re superior.
K: So, in... I’m just trying to figure out why in Egypt... he
was there and obviously doing some work with them.
D: He was there as part of a communication program that they had
ongoing after our program... well, way after our program, almost
a decade, after ...
K: Almost ten years later?
D: Well, I mean, you know, it had ended in ‘96 and we had some
more briefings in ‘97 but that was about it.
K: So you’re saying that you... this happened recently, that you
pushed him into the stargate?
D: It happened at the end of 2003 and... you know, I could tell
from the relationship with him that he was being honest with me.
Now, again, there have been those that have criticized and said,
“Well, look, this guy is 52,000 years along an evolutionary
line,” which does not necessarily make him smarter, but
certainly not better if you look at the... the pathology, but...
that he had the ability, if he was a human being, to lie. Hm?
Yep. And we talked with each other about lying and Majestic
never knew that.
But he told me about things which would be happening in the
future, inconsequential, generally inconsequential, things. And
then there were some very consequential things. But some
generally inconsequential things that happened subsequent, which
told me, not only was he from the future, but he had access to
future material because nobody could have predicted
conversations. But that he was being honest with me as well. I
could feel his heart. And that’s all we can really do. You know,
they... they turn it into a joke on Coast to Coast: “The Coast
to Coast AM Challenge with Bill Burns and George Noory. Will you
step up to the plate and take this polygraph exam?” Now...
because polygraph doesn’t work. If a polygraph worked, we
wouldn’t need juries. We judge other people, other human beings,
by their honesty, by empirical data and evidence as well, but by
their spirit as well. And... the spirit that I judged him by was
what I was feeling from him, from his heart, from his mind. And
I judged him by his relationship with his child, by how he
regarded his mother, by all of these things that we choose to
regard, in the human family, to make decisions about each other.
The same things... I mean, these common things were still
D: There were very, you know, many uncommon aspects to their
society to the negating of emotion, and the negating of personal
names out in society. It was still being carried within
families. There was a common theme to the human family which was
still extant in his time. And... I used that as part of my
prudent discernment of him – or God, I hope it was – that he was
a good human being.
K: So, you assisted him in going through the stargate.
D: I pushed the Segway-type transport set on the stroller. They,
they looked like Bell jars, almost, over top of Segway-type
strollers where you could ... you know, it was almost... almost
waist height, where the, the bar was. Well you could push it in
whatever direction, and it took very little effort to move it.
Ah... and he asked me to go home.
K: So you pushed him and...
D: I did.
K: ...and what happened to you when you pushed him?
D: I pushed forward, then the next feeling was a feeling of
numbness. [chuckles] I... For a brief moment I thought I had
really screwed up and maybe killed myself or whatever because I
literally felt numb everywhere. Then I remember a flash of gray.
And then I was seated, coughing, on a block about 20, 30 meters
away, maybe. And I had people rushing up to me, still
over-dramatically actually cocking an automatic firearm at me,
screaming at me. And I was grabbed, picked up from the block and
taken over and said, you know, “You’re under arrest.” And, I
mean, I had committed a violation of the protocols. And I was
being threatened with weapons to my head and things like that.
K: So how did...
D: “What did he say to you?” And, you know. Or, “Are you a spy?”
And, you know... They were just acting paranoid. No. I wasn’t a
spy. I just shoved him into the stargate and he went bye-bye.
And that’s essentially what happened.
K: How did you... how did Majestic react after that, to you?
D: Very angry, very angry, including the people with whom I’m
the closest... save the one present. Very angry toward me.
K: And how did they act... How does Majestic act when it’s
angry? I mean, I guess this gets back to.... weren’t... haven’t
you been tortured? I mean, isn’t this right?
D: I wouldn’t... I don’t call it torture aside from the fact
that I’ve been falsely imprisoned. That’s torture. I was for a
couple periods of time put at S-4 in, in level 3, and basically
told, “That’s where you are for now.”
K: Level three meaning...
D: At S-4.
K: Was that a cell?
D: Ah, no. It was one of the, the rooms, one of the, the small
suites if you will which were originally put in there. There’s
12 of ‘em, in this trident. There’s three groups of four. And I
was put in the unit one, over to the left. And it was
essentially... I mean, it, you know, contained all the
amenities. I could ask for food. Got everything I wanted except
I couldn’t leave. There was no freedom. I consider that torture.
The... the others items are acts of unkindness. And acts of
unkindness from Majestic can range from everything from
psychological unkindness - being rude to you, to being
threatening, to being physically harmful. And I have been
beaten. I have been slapped. I have been physically restrained,
meaning handcuffed and beaten and slapped. I have been put under
K: Who was...
D: Hell, I had friends doing that to me. But I had, you know,
put under intense lights and... while being handcuffed, as in
interrogated. I have been told to shut my mouth to the point
where two people grabbed me, one shoved me down on to the floor
of a garage and the other one stomped on and broke my hand.
K: So... and these were “the members” of Majestic that carried
K: ...attacks? In other words, they didn’t hire someone?
D: Yes... not the J numbers. Not the J numbers. These were
D: As in security personnel. Yeah.
K: I see. So not the 1 through 12, but people that work for
D: Oh no, none of them have laid an unkind hand on me, ever.
Great affection, if anything, out of them...
K: But they were under orders...
D: ...like one would show great affection to a pet.
K: These... OK [chuckles] So you were viewed as a pet by some of
D: Well, I’m not saying that...
K: ...but you were also mistreated on their orders?
D: I’m not saying I was viewed as a pet. I’m saying I don’t know
what’s... what they’re truly carrying in their hearts, in their
minds, and so there exists the possibility that affection can be
granted either honestly or disingenuously. It can be granted...
ah... person to person on the same level, or as an act of
K: Well, let’s back up a tiny bit.
D: Well, yeah.
D: [Gesturing off camera at Marci] She brought up the name
Tenet. George Tenet... Oh, I better watch my mouth...
Marci: Uh hmm! That’s why I mentioned the name.
D: ...before I get started talking here too much.
M: I know.
D: George Tenet was a former Director of Central Intelligence
for the United States of America. Now we’re moving on. [laughs]
K: OK... So, but what you were saying about Majestic has got me
D: [still laughing] Sorry...
K: That’s OK. You’re basically saying that Majestic is operating
as... is independent of the government. Is that correct?
D: Yes and no.
K: Or are they operating under them?
D: Yes and no. They were set independent of direct presidential
authority as far back as the late ‘40s. However, there’s more
than one individual who sits... who has sat... as a member of
the twelve who are intimately involved with the United States
government, to include its highest levels.
K: OK. And so those people were actually...
D: OK. It’s time to put the tap dancing shoes on.
K: [laughs] OK. Those people were actually ordering you to be,
as a result, let’s say, of this over... you know, this sort of
overstepping the line, pushing J-Rod into the stargate, they
were ordering you to be sequestered, to be beaten, or...
D: Well, by...
K: ...harmed in some way?
D: By the time that happened... All the beatings happened prior
to that. By the time that happened there was... Basically they
didn’t know what to do with me. It took everybody so by
surprise... me too [laughs] ... what I did... They didn’t know
what to do, and so they really didn’t. I mean, you know, I got
hauled around there at the site for a while and I got hauled
back here to the US, but I was basically after that just told
“Go home.” They didn’t know what to do.
K: So is this why you’ve been released from Majestic, because of
D: No. No... It was coming near the end of my time, my
usefulness, basically, anyway, aside from being ah... almost an
elder statesmen with them, because I’d been around for like 20
years. My physical condition has gotten worse. I’m not well,
physically. So I would not be of any use inside of a laboratory.
K: OK, but why is there... I understand that there’s been some
kind of adjournment, according...
D: That is correct.
Majestic: The New Body
K: And now there’s a new body and it’s not going to be comprised
of the same people as the old body?
K: So why? Why have they changed members? What’s the motivation?
D: There’s a switchover between two secret societies going on.
One is handing reins over to the other and it has been long
planned. However, it’s not been long known by me. But it’s been
long, long planned, probably decades. I’m certain it has to have
been for decades. The way they talk.
K: So Majestic is ruled by a secret society, is what you’re
D: Well, Majestic has been the most famous – next to probably
the Freemasons – secret society of itself. And there are many of
the Freemasons who inhabit the Majestic, as a consequence of
their relationships. The two things are happening at the same
time. And so their philosophies, then, the philosophies of these
associated secret societies, like the Scottish Rite and York
Rite, are being imparted into the secret society known as the
K: So what’s the quarrel between...
D: You bring who you are to wherever you are.
Majestic vs. The Illuminati
K: Sure. But what’s the quarrel between, say, the Majestic
society or group and the Illuminati?
D: That is a real good, and it’s the best question to be asked,
even more importantly than the differences between the J-Rods,
because this impacts us, I think, now.
Many members of the upper echelon... and I don’t mean the
hardworking people who work on construction sites, for God’s
sakes... Many people who are in the upper echelon of the Masonic
movement, both York and Scottish rite, have accepted a
philosophy which is Luciferian in context and history. Many of
the people who are not directly, then, involved with the
Majestic, who are also associated with that Luciferian
philosophy, have rubbed up against each other for decades,
probably even longer. So somewhere along the line in history
there was a schism between those individuals who have accepted
the Luciferian history, the Luciferian philosophy, mixed with
other secret society people who have not, and ended up in the
Majestic ... and people who have accepted a Luciferian... almost
like a different, ah... denomination? if you will... accepted a
Luciferian philosophy who are not associated with the Majestic.
In other words, we’ve got dirty coins on both sides.
K: OK. And when you say a Luciferian philosophy...
D: Now... meaning a materialistic, and, for lack of a better
term when it comes to the actual European Illuminati, satanic,
philosophy, where they have given their lives, their families,
their sacred honor, to this satanic thought of creating a world
order under the person that they consider the true God, which
would be a Luciferian figure. Now, these people have also
(separating them from the dirty coins in the Majestic side)...
these people have also been accepting of the influence of the
P-45 rogues, who want to justify their own history by our
demise, moving from Timeline 1 over to Timeline 2, a
catastrophe. And so, the differences between the Majestic group,
some of which there have been these Luciferians mixed in and the
true Illuminati group.... They’re not even really true
Illuminati. I mean, that’s a word that comes back meaning
“Enlightened Ones,” and these people are not enlightened. They
are simply under the influence of a false light. That the
differences between the two, then, have raised itself to rancor
even though they share much in common with each other. However,
on the Majestic side you have a lot of God-fearing people, too.
A lot. And I’m not talking about specifically here the twelve.
I’m talking about the line people, the people that we’ve worked
with. Good people. Good people to the bone, to the soul who, who
want nothing but, but good for the world.
K: So basically what you’re talking about is there seems to be
an alliance between, for lack of a better word, the so-called
Illuminati group that has satanic followers...
D: Uh huh.
K: ...and the P-45s, what you call the P-45s...
D: Uh huh.
K: ...and the Majestic group, which, even though it has some
members from the Illuminati, basically is siding with the
D: Yeah. I wouldn’t really call them “some.” I would say that
they are Freemasons who have accepted the Luciferian influence.
In other words, they may personally disagree with it, the
Luciferian influence, but are still acting as good people.
K: For the benefit of humanity.
D: For the benefit of humanity. Exactly. And then there are some
that I have interacted with who are involved with the so-called
true Illuminati in Europe, that are God-fearing people too.
There’s dirty coins and there’s polished coins on both sides.
However... however, the dirty coins make up the vast majority of
the group on the European Illuminati side.
2012: Two Timelines
K: OK. So, what is... Now let’s get to the timelines and explain
just briefly, since this gets over into the future and 2012,
what the P-45s, meaning they are from the future 45,000 years
ahead of us...
D: 45,000 years ahead on a separate timeline to what we are
presently on, but a timeline that we could transition over to
from where we are now. So, if we are to accept that we
transition, God forbid, from Timeline 1 to Timeline 2, they
would be considered 45,000 years and 52,000 years, respectively,
ahead of us.
The individuals who dumped near Roswell, New Mexico back in the
‘40s were approximately 24,000 years ahead of us in Timeline 2.
And that was a mission return, an Earth to Earth, time travel
K: We’re on Timeline 1 now, I’m assuming you’re saying?
K: And we’re headed for 2012 and theoretically a catastrophe
that may or may not happen.
D: Right around now.
K: Right around now?
D: [laughs] Yeah.
Planet X and 2012
K: And this catastrophe, has it got anything to do with Planet
D: [long pause] I don’t know. There is the most honest answer I
can provide you. I know a lot of lore about a rogue planet
coming in. However, the material that I’ve actually seen... On a
repetitive, ah... crossing, if you will, of Earth with
catastrophic influences, happens not only because of a matter of
physics – ah, “rogue” and I don’t mean this toward like J-Rod
rogue – but rogue crossing of the Earth ... asteroids or
What I have heard is that to precipitate the catastrophe, there
would be, as we pass into the plane of the Milky Way, some sort
of energetic burst through the plane of the galaxy by virtue of
wormholes that are traveling ... that travel through the plane
of the galaxy from the center of the galaxy, which have been
depicted in ancient lore... called the Serpent Rope... even the
ancients... and that the Serpent Rope would return at the time
of the end of the Mayan calendar, revealing... and there are
several perspectives as to what it will reveal. But that during
this same time, the history of the J-Rods record that this burst
will cause a disruption in the Sun and that, concomitantly with
energetic bursts from the Sun and from the wormholes which would
be passing through our planet, that there would be a disaster
provoked by virtue of these time travel devices (the Stargate
devices) and the time viewing devices (the Looking Glass
devices) spontaneously turning on and directing an inappropriate
amount of energy into the crust of the Earth, precipitating a
geophysical disaster. This geophysical disaster, in accordance
with the history of the J-Rods and Orions, record that over 4
billion, 157 million die over a several year period by virtue to
the geophysical shift in the crust.
K: So, this is what...
D: I can’t...
K: … is trying …
D: I get numb when I think about the numbers.
K: ...is trying to be prevented?
K: Is this right?
D: Yes. Very true.
K: And how is it going to be prevented?
D: By the disabling and the destruction of such technology. That
we will naturally, then, pass through this Serpent Ropes. The
bursts will occur, whatever that means. I haven’t physically
seen it. But the bursts will occur and there would be an
imparting of energy to our planet that will, gradually,
naturally, cause changes in the human species and the life of
our planet. And that these changes would be positive changes for
our people. And I... I frankly think that it’s already
happening. There’s a rise, worldwide, in... And I don’t think
it’s just a given size in the population increase. But there is
a rise in very spiritual, talented people. There is a rise in
savants, the Indigo children. It’s a... definitely, from what
I’ve seen from reading about them... a real phenomenon. These
children are of a new type and I think they are of the Timeline
1 type. We’re seeing, I think in these children, these great
kids, an expression of what we will be in our own future, our
next kind of step ahead. We’re not looking millions of years
ahead or anything like that, but our next step ahead. And it’s a
wonderful rise in consciousness that I think will precipitate
the next renaissance for our people. I see it happening.
The numbers that we received before Looking Glass was shut down,
disbanded, was that there would be a 19% probability with an 85%
confidence, that the disaster would occur, that there would be a
transition from Timeline 1 to Timeline 2. But, that then means
that there’s an 81% chance that it won’t. And so, the
individuals who want to carry the, the negative line, are
convinced that it’s going to occur, are not presenting the
facts. The facts are: this is the material that we have
available that we know.
K: So, what you’re saying is the Illuminati... to get back to
K: ...is basically the side that believes that the transition’s
gonna occur from one timeline to the other.
D: Not only do they believe it will occur, they want to provoke
K: But what... but how does it benefit them to, to provoke it?
Why should they want to be P45s?
D: They don’t. The living ones don’t. They’re looking at the
P-45s as, as a means to an end for them. They’re not gonna live
that long. They’re just gonna live a normal human life and die,
so they want the control for themselves. The fact that the
P-45s... that’s how immoral these people are. The fact that the
P-45s are wanting us, to, at their stage in their own
development, have a disaster which, which justifies their own
history, is being used as a means to an end by the Illuminati
who would like to see that the population is culled so that they
can gain greater control. They don’t care.
K: So, OK. So, what...
D: They just want for themselves. There are really human beings
that don’t care, or that care very little.
K: So what you’re saying is the Illuminati want the catastrophe
K: ...so that a certain number... three-quarters is the number
I’ve heard... of humanity dies. They get the Earth to
D: Well, the history reads about a little over two-thirds.
K: OK. Two-thirds.
D: That’s what the history of the J-Rods actually reads.
K: All right. Two-thirds. And then what? I mean, they still have
to live through Earth changes and cataclysms, right?
D: Right. But these people are also the ones who have their
guaranteed positions in the safety zones... underground
facilities, etcetera. And so they are presumed... it is not
known for certain, but they are presumed to have actually been
…be …the progenitors if you will, of the people who become the
K: I understand. But in a sense... there is a thought that in a
sense the P-45s, that side of humanity, is... possibly becomes
D: They become repressed. They still have their same souls,
because even after 7,000 more years of development, I could see
the soul, as you see the heart of another human being... I could
see the soul in Chi’el’ah. So, it didn’t leave and then come
K: But Chi’el’ah was not a P-45.
D: No. He was a P-52, but that just means that he was 7,000
years along the T2 timeline from when the P-45s...
K: So he used to be...
D: ...were in existence.
K: ...or, his people used to be, a P-45.
K: And a P-46, 47, 48.
D: Yes. Yes... yes.
D: So the soul didn’t go away and then come back. It’s been
there. But then... you know what. Look. You can say that some
people are soul-less.
K: Uh huh.
D: The Nazis. How much soul did they have when they threw my
grandpa on to a car? How much soul did they have? We know that
they had a human soul, as black as apparently what it was or as
covered over in their demented brains but I still pray for them
that they’ve... even them... that they’ve been made whole with
God. But they still had their souls even though it was
D: In like manner, the P-45s have a soul.
K: OK. Well then what... OK. You’ve talked about the P-52 Orions
and the P-52 J-Rods. Am I right?
D: Uh huh.
Nordics from Orion
K: OK. What causes the split? Because the Orions, I’m thinking,
are the blond Nordics.
D: They are the ones that prefer to stay out of the safety zones
when it happens. They are the survivors who do not go
K: Are these good... is this a good division of humanity? I
mean, the P-52 Orion Nordic?
D: I don’t consider any division of humanity good. I consider
them the more positive of the two because I consider the
positive aspects of humanity to be the spiritual aspects.
K: So you’re saying the Nordic line is spiritual.
K: Was spiritual.
D: Extremely. Yeah.
K: OK. So how does the Nordic line... I mean, you say they stay
D: They actually move off from Earth first. The J-Rods, or the
precursors to the J-Rods, stay on Earth for a great deal of
time, well after 24,000 years from the time of the transition,
24,000 years from now. Because they were 24-or-so-thousand years
ahead of us when they crashed in Roswell in 1947. Those were
24s. They stay. The Orions move off first to the place ... after
the reestablishment of a society on the surface of the Earth ...
technology is refurbished, etcetera....they move off to the
place where the Ark is held.
The Ark on the Moon
K: Which is where?
D: Our nearest body, the Moon.
K: The Moon.
D: Where on it, I’m not going to say.
K: OK. Well, this gets into...
D: Because of having to defend against the possibility of
Timeline 1 transitioning over to Timeline 2 in a manner
different than I’ve been told. And I’m not going to be the
person who hands off the wrong information.
K: So... OK, but you’re saying the Nordics are going to get off
Earth if the catastrophe happens. Or regardless.
D: They leave after.
K: After the catastrophe happens.
D: Presumably several thousand years after it happens, they
K: Several thousand years.
D: Yes, they move to the Moon.
K: Oh. I was getting the impression you were talking about them
going on space ships or something.
D [shaking head no] Not really. No. They move off to the Moon
several thousand years, via space craft. They get to the place
where the Ark was held and that they re-establish a new
community. From there they move to Mars. From Mars, out to
K: So they...
D: We’re talking a lot of time here.
The Face on Mars
K: The “face” on Mars... is this... Are we looking at something
that was left behind by the Nordics?
D: Uh huh.
K: So we’re looking...
D: As best as I know.
K: ...we’re looking forward to our future when...
D: We’re looking at a paradox.
K: ...when we’re looking at the ruins.
D: Yeah. We’re looking at a paradox of their ruins, which they
left on another planet.
K: In the... in our future.
D: In our future.
K: In our possible future.
K: OK, well, to come back...
D: [pointing at Kerry] She’s actually got the best command of
this information of anyone in the public with whom I’ve spoken.
Marci: I know.
K: [laughs] Thank you. That’s a very sweet thing to say.
D: It’s honest.
K: Thank you. We’ve got a... I’m getting another question here
from our small audience, and I must say that Bill Ryan...
D: Bill Ryan of the Orions? [laughs]
K: Bill Ryan is also sitting with me and, and listening to this
amazing information and asking some good questions.
Bill: When we’re looking at Mars, are we looking into the
D: Now the question is this...
B: I just don’t understand that.
D: The question of... of the day is that what is going to
happen? What is going to happen when the... when the transition
occurs and we either continue on 1 or, God forbid, number 2,
happens? If number 2 happens we’re not going to be worried about
Mars. We will have much more important things to worry about at
Let’s say, God willing, and I think we will, remain on Timeline
1 ... what’s going to happen with our imagery of Mars? I think
that we will probably remember taking images of these anomalous
structures. And there have been some anomalous structures imaged
on the moon as well. I think we’re probably going to remember
that. At least I think so. If we don’t, it’s not going to
matter, now, is it?
K: So what you’re saying is we’re gonna go back to the idea that
we never... that there are no... is no face on Mars.
D: Or there will be a face on Mars and it will be presented to
us at that moment as something different. Maybe the bricks will
turn to rocks and we will get there and find out that all these
beautiful ruins, including the, the Scorpion. You don’t think
it’s a scorpion, tell me what it is, OK? I’ll show you the
images from Star City. On the top of this pyramid. If it’s not a
scorpion, tell me what it is. But, perhaps we’re going to get
there and we’re going to find out that all of this presumed
architecture that we are seeing by virtue of the geometry that
we are attempting to apply to these images, is nothing more than
rocks, that we’ve never been there. Because, at that moment,
because we had not transited over to Timeline 2, that we have
never visited there until we finally put “man on Mars.”
B: But there’s a profound paradox here...
D: There is.
B: ...because what I hear you saying is that we’re looking
through telescopes, where we’re receiving light in present time,
with a few minutes difference...
D: A few minutes.
B: ...that’s being reflected off objects on the surface of Mars,
that we’re actually looking at a possible future.
D: That’s right.
B: I don’t understand.
D: There are impacts into our timeline now which have occurred.
This is the information that I received not only from Chi’el’ah,
but also from the material within Majestic. There are impacts
into our reality now, our timeline now, by virtue of the amount
of time travel which has occurred. Every time they have gone
back in time, they have caused small paradoxes which have built
up as our reality that we now perceive. In other words, there is
actual Newtonian superimposing. And that is a frightening thing
K: So, it’s almost like putting money in the bank, though, every
time they come, from the P-45, in a sense. Their timeline...
D: I look at it more as creating a larger heap of manure.
K: Well, OK. [laughs] Emphasis appreciated. However,
nonetheless, it is like a deposit towards the actual occurrence
happening. It... I mean...
D: I don’t know.
K: ...they are agents of change, in a sense.
D: They are agents of change as all human beings are agents of
change. But I don’t know whether there is a cause effect,
whether there is a nexus between cause and effect, having to do
with their amount of time travel and the superimposition which
is going on in our reality, and the disaster itself. I think
that the disaster itself, from everything that I’ve read and
heard, is a direct, ah... consequence of the technological
aspect of bringing too much energy toward us, in a non-natural
K: OK. Well basically you’re saying there’s two timelines. I
mean, I’m sure you’re aware of the work of physicists now that
are saying, “Look, if you can have two timelines, you can have
D: Well, don’t we really have three? Or four. I’m discussing
24,000s. I’m discussing 45,000s, 52,000s and present day. How
many timelines are that? Because these people moved ahead
linearly in their timeline. Just because we want to call it
Timeline 2 doesn’t mean that there are other effects or
superimposings which are occurring on different realities during
even their own timelines. We don’t know.
K: Exactly. I mean there’s a sense in which what you are talking
about is not so much that the P-45s, for example, Timeline 1
exists, as it will actually separate from our reality and become
more like a parallel reality instead of an intersecting one.
D: From what I understand, the people who are just prior, which
would be us according to their history, to the people who were
just after, exist as a straight vector of time. So in other
words, God forbid the catastrophe occur, it will just appear as
tomorrow and a catastrophe occurs, etcetera, etcetera, and we
move forward and changes start occurring in the Earth, there is
a disaster, there is a loss of, of huge life, etcetera. You
won’t probably feel anything change aside from the fact that
we’ll all be running scared for our lives. Aside from that I
have no explanation.
K: OK. You’re saying that if the catastrophe occurs.
K: But if it doesn’t occur, there’s still the element in which
we have been visited by, by a timeline which really does exist
in a sense ...
D: I... I...
K: ...and how do you unmake something which has been made? [Dan
shaking head no] That’s kind of... I mean, it’s kind of more of
a philosophical question...
D: I don’t know, and all I can do is defer to the creator on
D: ...issue because all we do is perturb...
K: What has told you that this is true?
D: All of the above.
D: It’s all of the above, plus information directly from
Looking Glass Technology
K: Why is Majestic in a place to know that this actually happens
or doesn’t happen? In other words, you’ve got the Looking Glass
technology that they used, and you used. And, you were
D: No, I didn’t use it, personally.
K: ...in discovering? Were you in... No?
D: No. Oh, no no no no. This is an original technology which was
derived from ancient cylinder seals, by people from our future
who provided it to us, meaning the rogues, the P-45s.
K: OK. The people who...
D: We wouldn’t have...
K: ...are negative.
D: That’s right. We wouldn’t have this lovely technology if it
wasn’t planted in our past for us to use now. The entirety of
the technology must either be disabled or destroyed.
K: In other words, to unmake the technology.
D: Until at least...
K: So that...
D: ...after we pass through this time period. There is no way.
From the deceit, the conceit, the avarice, and the greed that I
have been around over the last twenty years... so that’s the
good side of these two dirty coins. There is no way that they’re
not gonna start this equipment back up again if it’s usable
after this. Of course they’re going to. Come on. I mean, they’ve
got this... it’s like a magic box... to try to see into the
future. What they’re going to do in the future with regard to
that, I’ve got no clue. I have no power over it and I have no
K: OK. So this Looking Glass technology comes from cylinder
D: Originally, yes.
D: Originally it was a series of instructions for accessing the
wormholes, which naturally pass in the hyperspace in which we
find ourselves. And from there they worked on the technology,
they built the equipment from the instructions. After building
the equipment from the instructions, they began to tweak it and
find different things out about it. One of the things that they
found is that they could actually use it as a peering portal,
like a peering glass, if you will, to see different aspects of,
not only the future, but the past.
K: Are these Sumerian... ah, Sumerian...
D: I would say that they slightly predate Sumerian timeframe but
that some of the information which came down from cylinder seals
that slightly predated the Sumerian timeframe were then recopied
in Sumerian seals as well, and ...
K: And Egyptian?
D: ...those cylinder seals... Oh yes. And those cylinder seals,
to the best of my knowledge, have all been obtained.
K: From Iraq.
D: Some of them from Iraq. Yes.
K: Some of them from Egypt?
D: Some of them from other... Some of them from Egypt. Some of
them from other countries where they were being stored.
D: And I really don’t want to get my country into too many
problems here. [laughing]
K: And, and you got...
Marci: If we could stop for a second...
K: Go ahead.
M: I want to reiterate. The rogue P-45s jumped back, seeded the
D: [nods head yes] Uh huh.
M: ...that’s what they wanted to do, was to seed the land to
help facilitate the catastrophe. Because by placing the
technology available they knew that... it would be utilized. And
as long as we as people... Oh my God. [camera turns to Marci].
But, they wanted to go back...
D: Oh please, tape her!
M: ...and seed the technology because they felt that, as people,
we would be unable to break ourselves away from using that
K: How is it that this technology is being utilized now? And
isn’t ... if you’re talking about a wormhole, isn’t it the same
thing as a stargate?
D: Essentially, yes. The technology is not being utilized now.
Anywhere we find it, we take it.
K: Who’s “we?”
K: Because you have warring factions.
K: You’ve got the Illuminati on the one hand, you’ve got the
Majestic on another.
D: Yep. “We” is the... we is the United States as part of the
UN. You know... I don’t really want to comment too much about
NATO and who’s controlling the NATO alliance at this point.
K: Isn’t it a fact that the Illuminati....
D: We’re doing most of the lion’s share.
K: ...would be stealing back this Looking... ? I mean, if they
want it to happen, they... Their objective would be to steal
these cylinders and get them...
D: [nodding head yes] Yes.
K: ...so that they could use the Looking Glass technology.
D: Yes. But they can’t show up as an aggressor to steal anything
back so what they do is they vote against us.
K: How does that stop...
D: Well, it plays out...
K: ...the technology?
D: It plays out in the UN. Well, we had Looking Glass
technology, and portal, actual stargate technology, in Iraq, as
late as the start of 2003. And a lot of countries don’t want
us... didn’t want us to enter Iraq. We did, though, didn’t we?
K: Right. But how is it that... In other words, if...
D: Moammar just handed his two over. We just told him that we
were going to make him rich beyond avarice. And he was a little
smarter than Saddam, that’s all. And so what he did is he handed
them over and says, “Oh, please, come into my country.” He says,
“Look at my equipment to make sure that I’m not making any
weapons of mass destruction.” Meanwhile, out the back door goes
the two that Saddam actually had transferred over to him.
D: Well, equipment, stargate...
D: ...technology. Yeah. For them to experiment with. They were
K: But if the Looking Glass technology is the same thing as...
it accesses a wormhole... The technology...
D: It actually...
K: ...it accesses a wormhole.
D: ...does that. Yes.
K: It also accesses stargates.
D: Well, that’s essentially the same thing. I’ve been using the
term stargate technology...
K: Stargates occur...
D: ...to mean a machine that accesses a wormhole by spreading
out the energy, the strange matter or whatever it is... and I’m
not a physicist... that spreads it out in a compatible way to
either communicate through it... or passage of information. That
D: You don’t. And we don’t want to. We don’t want to. The
history reads that the natural passage of us through this
energetic space is a good thing. But it’s our use of technology
which provokes the catastrophe.
K: So it’s...
D: It’s our enhancement of this natural system, inappropriate
enhancement, which provokes the catastrophe. And so, no, we
don’t want that to happen. I think that the energetics that
we’re passing through is part of what’s happening to us
naturally, that’s changing us in a positive way. It’s part of
the loving cosmos that we’re part of. I think that’s probably
one of the factors, not all, but one of the factors for the rise
of these beautiful children, the Indigo children. And, and I’m
all for it. I’m all for it.
K: So we want to leave the stargates, the natural stargates.
They’re leaving those alone.
D: Right. We want to keep our hands off of nature. Pull our
hands away. Get it away from the fruit of the tree of life, so
to speak... get it away, and just let nature happen during this
time. That will be a good thing. However, we also have people
who oppose that because they want what they want when they want
Transcript Part 3: MIBs: The Men in Black
Cassidy: OK, so tell us about...Dan Burisch
Dan Burisch: Sure, OK. Well, the Men in Black.
K: ...about the Men in Black. Yeah.
D: Part of it is a psychological operation you have within
Majestic and that they operate to scare people away from things
that they’ve seen, that they don’t want them, you know, further
bringing information out in the population. The so-called
“people factor.” Anything about that, they attempt, or have
attempted... I don’t even know that they’re still in
operation... to suppress. Then you have the real McCoy. The real
McCoy is not human. The real McCoy is in fact a P-45 J-Rod.
They’re using, through the use of some sort of sinuous
biomechanical technology, the skin of a dead human.
D: The skin of a dead human. These are the ones that walk up to
you and they look like they’re shuffling like they’ve just
filled their drawers. When they speak through this technology
that they are wrapping around them, they sound very bland, very
monotone. And they don’t belong. You tell very quickly that they
K: Have you met one?
D: I’ve met several of them. They were operating around my work
at Sunchase before we were moved to a different location. I can
say they’re very “sallow” in appearance. They thought that it
was an appropriate expression to sing me “Happy Birthday” one
year over at, ah, I think it was at the start of 2003. It was
either ‘03 or ‘04 ...‘03 I think it was. Yeah.... and I did not
like being around them. And they will not think twice of using
force on you. They will hit you. They will push you. One did me.
Marcia, not that long ago, got her fill of both types, both the
psychological operations people who attempted, a few years ago,
to scare her off over at Winchester Park – these were... those
were human beings. They were just striking fear in her – and one
actual real McCoy... MIB. And this thing... I actually saw it
first. It wandered on to... they get confused easily. And that’s
a good thing... wandered on to our property at where we’re
presently living. And I was walking home from her apartment at
the time and I thought a child was swinging on the swingset.
There’s a swingset out in front of my apartment. The closer I
got, I thought that it was a little older kid wearing black.
Then I noticed it had a hat on. And he said, “Swing! Fun!” He
was lost in a memory, apparently, of the person that he was
wearing. And I looked at him and I got very afraid inside
because they carry weapons. They can be killed with weapons too.
They were not supposed to be on our property. Our Security did
not do its real job. We’re not worried about the real two-legged
real humans that just walk around. It’s MIB 1these things...
So he was the size of a child? Is that what you’re saying?
D: No, he was... He... I thought it was a child on the swingset
as I was walking. It was past dusk. It was dark out there.
K: So he was a normal size.
D: He was a normal size.
K: Full grown person.
3D: Yep. And wearing all black. And he had a black preacher’s
type hat. Round brimmed...
K: How do you get rid of him?
D: Well... how do you get rid of him?
D: Well, it would be very good if a person could actually... I’d
better be careful suggesting that...
Marci: Uh huh.
D: ...‘cause they are still human beings. They took him into...
Security ultimately took him into custody. I just want to be
careful liability-wise of making the suggestion about how to get
rid of one of them. But...
Marci: People could miscue and we wouldn’t want to have
D: No. Saying, “Well, you know, Dr. Burisch said do this or
that.” There shouldn’t be that many walking around. Don’t worry
But it... it wasn’t even sent there to deal with me. It was sent
there to deal with her [pointing toward Marci]. And it found
itself apparently lost in a memory in the swingset. And I said,
“Good! Swing! Good.” Instead of going [makes disgusted face].
Walked in, keyed the door to my apartment, pressed the emergency
button for Security, hoping that they were going to respond.
Went in and told my mother-in-law what was going on. She looked
out of the window and said, “Yep.” She’s been in a Majestic
family all her life, and she said, “Yep.” Then the oldest got up
and looked out the window and I said, “That’s what one looks
like.” It was her first experience seeing one. Yeah.
D: And I said, “Doris, go over here.” And I unlocked something
and I pulled something out for her and I said, “While I leave
here, because I’m going to do the hurt bird routine and lead it
away,” (because we had three kids). I said, “I don’t know what
its intention is. It may have a lethal intention here and it’s
just presently lost. Soon as it gets done swinging, it may pull
a weapon out.” And I said, “So if it comes near here, defend
yourself and the kids. Meanwhile I’m gonna grab something else,”
and I grabbed a weapon, “and I’m gonna try to lead it away.” By
the time I had the second weapon out and was armed, it was
walking off already, toward her [points at Marci, laughs]
So I said, “OK. Well, I still have to get it in case it turns
around because if it knows where I went into the apartment, I
have to lead it away because there are kids in here. There are
little girls in here.” Yep. And so I walked toward it, past it
[laughs], walked clear by it, and it just continued shuffling
ahead slowly up the sidewalk, gradually toward her apartment.
I got over to her apartment and I said, “Where the hell is
Security?” She was pushing buttons over there and nobody had
responded. Got on the radio. Nobody responds. I said, “You have
an MIB walking toward your apartment right now.” She said, “An
MIB?” I said, “Indeed.” I said, “They are dangerous, as you are
well aware.” But it was her first experience with something like
this. I said, “Come here and look. It can’t possibly...”... and
I wanted to make sure it wasn’t walking back toward my apartment
where the girls were. I said, “It can’t possibly have reached
here by now.” [laughs] I mean, it’s walking slowly. And so she
came out with me and she went over by the wall behind a bush and
she didn’t see it initially. It was hidden like in the recesses
of a light, as it was walking up in one of the shadowed areas.
Because now the lights had kicked on on the exterior of the
building and all that. And I walked up on to the sidewalk and
saw it, and I turned my back on it at that point. They don’t
run. So I turned my back on it and said, “You may watch me going
that [points in illustration] way,” to Marci. And she said,
‘cause she’s not a faint-of-heart female, “Why?” And then she
saw it over my shoulder and got her first .. . laid her first
eyes on an ET. And her eyes got about that big [gesturing],
which is a normal reaction. And she walked. [looks at Marci and
says, “Giving you some credit.”] She actually walked from there
back toward the corner of the building, before I saw her break
into something more than a walk. She walked away from him.
By then, I’m still standing there and this thing walked by me.
Now I’m wondering what... why it’s here, and I said, “Hi.” And
it turned this close to me [gestures at arm length] and said,
“Hello,” and then it just continued to walk [gestures away].
Walked right past me like I wasn’t even there, toward her. I
thought, “Well, OK, it has an assignment. We don’t know what the
assignment is.” Because it will not give up its intention
behaviorally before it carries out its assignment. And I wasn’t
sure if it was armed or what. So I walked by it again. [laughs]
This is how slowly it was shuffling. It walked like it had poop
in its pants. I mean that’s how he did... I mean, they are
clearly not comfortable in the skin.
I walked by it again. Now I had made certain adjustments to the
firearm I had on me because I was figuring that whatever was
gonna happen, it was gonna happen fairly soon. And if it pulled
a weapon out, I was going to do what I learned in the police
department and do it well. For propabation.
Got back to her. Got all the way into her apartment. Locked the
door. And I said, “Go get your gun.” She pulled the weapon out.
“You’ve been a former cop, too. Do what you do. Do it well.” By
that time we were both shaking, figuring, you know, it was gonna
turn into something very bad.
It sat down on a stairway outside of her apartment and... it had
a bag with it. It was a black bag of some sort, and I didn’t
know what was in it. It could have been anything. It just sat
there, and then it got up, and it walked past her apartment. And
now I’m looking at her like, “What the hell is this?” Still no
Security. Finally, after it had made its way all the way to the
basketball court area... and it stood there and looked around,
still confused... Security came up with its weapons [models
sighting along rifle] drawn, and took it into custody. Put it in
one of the vans and off it went. They cuffed it, you know, like
a human being would be cuffed and they took it.
She got a couple photographs off. We actually, because it walked
out toward the court... I was looking through the window and
said, “Well there’s no way it could get us from here even if it
does have a gun on it or whatever.” She stepped out on to her
porch and she took a couple photographs with a... [queries
Marci] It was a disposable?
Marc: I found a disposable camera that was up on the bookshelf
near the door. And I just grabbed it and that’s all I had in my
D: She took a couple photographs of it and we have since made
those public on the Eagles Disobey forum. Those are real, the
real McCoy. The best I could do enhancements that show, one
after another, with it... bringing it out from the background.
Those were the best enhancements I could do because the original
photograph that we put up there, too, if you saw it, I mean, it
was basically jet black. There is no carrying of the flash and
it was not set for, you know, night speed or anything like that.
It was an indoor/outdoor type daytime camera, a disposable
camera. But it was all that was available. Now, Security took
photographs and all that but they don’t share ‘em.
D: At the same time I was doing my weekly reports and I detailed
it in my weekly report and I allowed that weekly report to be
made available through the website. I said the MIB was taken
into custody and no one was injured. But, yeah, he just walked
on to our property, assignment still to this day unknown.
Dismissed from Majestic
D: Well, following 20 years of service for the Majestic, last
October the 12th, which was October 12, 2005, I was dismissed at
the time of their adjournment, to complete a final set of
orders, if you will, to present the information which I have
learned over the last twenty years concerning the
extraterrestrial intelligences to the world or to whomever
wanted to hear. For the last year’s time we have been committed
to a debriefing of my service since 1986 and even actually
before that. We’ve ranged into speaking about my early life as
well. We’re hoping that within a short period of time, the DVDs
will be completed and this will be presented. And this will then
conclude my service to Majestic, with a very big relief and
Right now we are presently in the middle of several different
projects, inclusive of which is Project Lotus, which has
basically been dispatched and dismissed to me after the years of
service as well. This project...
K: Do you mean it was turned over to you?
D: Well, it’s been turned over. I don’t think that the folks
from the former Majestic are continuing the research at all. I
really don’t think that they want anything to do with it after
the problems that we’ve had and the associated problems at a
couple different facilities involving, we’ll say, extraneous
energy emissions around the project that caused some damage to
Extraneous Energy Emissions
K: To back up a tiny bit, could you tell us what is Project
D: Sure. In May of 2001 we traveled to Frenchman Mountain here
in Nevada to begin a real project looking for a bio-marker, for
a possible precursor virus. It was a rather prosaic study,
looking for evidence of panspermia. During the course of that
initial investigation we came across some anomalous activity in
some of our data sets. That anomalous activity was ultimately
tracked down to very unusual electromagnetic activity associated
with silicon oxides. And we have since tracked that anomalous
activity to any silicon oxides present in minerals... to wit,
the activity is the presence of an emission of electromagnetic
bundles containing information. We are presently attempting to
further define the nature of that electromagnetic anomalous
activity. But we have in fact determined that the activity is
associated with cells within the terrestrial environment... and
that they have effects upon cells in our terrestrial
environment, up to and including modifying the genetic material
of extant cells in our environment.
K: Are you saying living cells?
K: Uh huh.
D: We have, together with these electromagnetic emissions, that
we have defined with relative precision to date, to be specific
varieties of what we termed as particles. We had to call them
something. They’re bundles of electromagnetic material, confined
discrete bundles, that we believe are possibly related to... as
far back as the ancient Pavitrakas of the Hindus... subtle
matter particles, which could be imparted into our environment
and effect changes. Thus far, we have not observed negative
changes, meaning, the effects of these subtle matter particles,
if you will, have not affected our environment negatively.
K: But you have had interruptions as the result of these
particles being ...
D: We’ve had...
K: Anomalous activities.
D: We’ve had anomalous thermal emissions when too much or too
little energy was imparted to the silicon oxide-bearing
material. We have had unusual drains of batteries around the
activity. And we have not defined why. But, there have been two
phenomena associated with Lotus that have been particularly
striking to me as a biologist. We’ve had re-sets of cells which
have occurred. And I say “re-sets” because I’m trying not to
make it sound Frankenstein-like... where there have been
heat-fixed yeast cells which have been used as, ah... offered,
if you will, to this phenomena as target cells. And upon the
receipt of material of these dead, heat-fixed yeast cells, we’ve
had a re-start of the cells and we have the photographic and
K: So they’ve come back to life, is what you’re saying, as a
result of this...
D: There has been a...
D: Yes. I really don't even like using those terms. It's out of
the book, off the edge of the pizza, so to speak. But we have
had a re-start of the cells in that location. However, the cells
which have restarted from the dead cells are not the same cells,
are not the same function, functioning, cells as the precursor
cells, the precursor yeast cells. We don't really know what they
K: You mean... are you saying that the cells changed and are
functioning differently after being exposed to this energy?
D: Yes. We started out with a, essentially a fungal cell, a
budding yeast cell which we heat-fixed, and the result was more
termed what one would normally term an animal-like cell.
K: Really? So it...
K: ...actually changed it from one thing... it actually
transformed it from one thing into another.
D: It transformed it from one thing to another, after imparting
to it what we've come to call a template. There is an...
K: Is this...
D: ...actual imparting of DNA...
D: ...to the cell. So, we're receiving DNA essentially across
some sort of an electromagnetic barrier, through these... what
we call portals, these emissions of electromagnetic energy that
then impart further discrete bundles of electromagnetism to our
K: So is...
D: We’re attempting to understand it. We don’t understand what
we are truly looking at at the moment. We’ve not truly defined
the Lotus as a system.
K: OK. But are the particles, are these the Ganesh particles
that are coming through?
D: [nods head yes] We think that we defined three basic discrete
varieties of particles that we have termed, Alpha, Beta, and
C-type particles. The A-type particles were nicknamed “Ganesh”
particles, and that’s what they are. They’re nicknames. We had
to call them something, so we called them “Ganesh particles,”
out of historical deference, if you will, for the Mover of
And we called the portals, “Shiva Portals,” as an opening or a
changing. These are the admission, or emission, centers, if you
will, for these Ganesh particles.
And then we have still another variety of particle which we call
“Selkies.” And Marcia actually named them. These are C-type
particles, and they basically act as almost like crossing guards
which line the periphery of an electromagnetic stream that
leaves these portals, and basically act as guards or guideways
surrounding the Ganesh particles, giving them a pathway to a
target. Now the real question, I think, is: How is the decision
being made for a target? And we’ve identified on the Selkies
what appear to be acoustic antennae. And I say appear to be
acoustic antennae, because changes of input into this system,
acoustic changes, affect the behavior of the Selkie particles.
K: Sound. In other words...
K: ...sound is affecting the Selkie particles, causing them to
redirect the energy, toward the target or away from the target?
Portals = Micro-Wormholes?
D: Causing them to redirect their positions which confine an
electromagnetic stream, or a river if you will, being emitted
from these portals. And you know, we’ve wondered what the
portals are. They might be micro-wormholes.
K: I see.
D: We don’t know right now.
K: And these are nano-sized portals?
D: No. These are microscopic sized. Somewhere within the 20
to... well it would be very transient up to 50... but around the
10 to 20 micron size, micrometer size. And so they’re observable
quite readily under a compound microscope if the conditions are
held constant and if they are treated delicately. They’re
extremely transient phenomena.
K: In other words, you don’t have control over them.
D: No. No. And in fact, we don’t do any direct propagations
anymore. The last direct propagation was done last November and
we received, for the second time, an anomalous growth of cells
in the medium surrounding the crystal that we were using. We
were using a quartz crystal, because of the silicon oxide nature
of quartz crystal. And we received an anomalous growth of cells
of unknown origin around the crystal, so we do not know where
these cells were from. We’ve had that happen now twice and we’ve
determined that we’re getting a little too good, if you will, at
the science of propagating these portals and we’re possibly
receiving a negative consequence as a result.
K: In other words, those could actually be an alien life-form.
D: Indeed they could be...
K: Very interesting.
D: ...they could be extraterrestrial. The cells...
K: Cells. I mean, they’re microscopic, right?
D: Right. You know, we’ve received a mix of very unusual cells
which we are not... I was not able to cytologically type. And
also cells which appeared nearly prosaic to our ocean here
microscopic one-celled organisms – haptophytes.
K: But they came out of nowhere.
D: The material that we had provided to the experiment
prohibited a cross-contamination, the ability for this to have
been a cross-contamination. So they came from somewhere. They
came from somewhere.
Now, also, what we’ve done is a repeat of a very famous
experiment called the Spallanzani experiment with beef broth,
but we put a tweak on it, if you will. The Spallanzani
experiments were experiments designed to either prove or
disprove the idea of spontaneous generation. And so the question
is then begged: Are we exhibiting spontaneous generation here?
And I think that we have zero evidence that this is spontaneous
generation. And allow me to explain why.
The Spallanzani experiment that we repeated... we did it exactly
the way the famous experiment was originally done... with beef
broth that had been boiled, but we actually had it autoclaved so
that we had pressure and heat both acting on it, getting rid of
all the spore-formers, everything that could have been present
in there as a living organism. We left some open, some closed,
and then we did a closed and an open experiment where we applied
electricity and a silicon oxide-bearing crystal to it. And in
the case where we had the closed study done, we received the
growth of cells in that closed study which appeared, to me to be
neural cells, and organized neural cells, to the point where we
could actually tell morphologically that there was an A-B-A-B
pattern which was developing. I wouldn’t say that I was in a
panic, but [glances right]... Marcia is nodding her head
rapidly, off the camera.
D: I was in a near panic to cease the study then and there so
that we weren’t accidentally producing something with sentience.
D: Not my right. That would have been an abomination of some
variety. I don’t practice, the tools of science devoid of moral
considerations. Some, nowadays, I think, have no problem, no
compunction against that. I do. So the study was ceased
immediately and the cells were photographed. Yes, we have the
photographs of them. But the study was ceased and it was killed
K: OK. Well, this is really kind of earth-shaking information
that you’ve got here, and...
D: [nods head yes] Uh huh. Very humbling.
K: ...I’m getting it in a way that I understand that makes it
K: Thank you, Dan. That was quite... quite enlightening.
Dan’s 8 minute security cam ‘outake’ video, which is essential
viewing for all:
It takes a long
time for Dr. Burisch to get angry, but he tells it like it is,
in this rare footage. Dan's calm and cool exterior, as he sat
with the Majestic-12, worked in some of the most demanding SAP
facilities on earth and handled hours of direct interviews for
the public is the norm, but in this rare footage, he doesn't
pull any punches talking about the attacks he's had to endure,
just because he's told people the truth. It's an eye-opener.
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