Introduction by Wes Penre   Debra Hunter Pitts his is Part 3 of the amazing and shocking testimony of Debra Hunter Pitts, who grew up in Butler County, Missouri in the 50s and 60s - a major Satanic part of the United States at that time, where human sacrifice was happening every day. Debra, being a music prodigy, got involved in the music business at an early age and came to know Eric Clapton and Carlos Santana already as a girl of 13. For a more detailed presentation on Debra, go back to Part 1 of this interview. Actually, If you have not done so already, please start with reading Part 1 and Part 2 before digging into this one. This way you can get the full understanding of what these important interviews are all about. In Part 2 we concentrated on the true story about the 1970 hit song "Layla", played by "Derek and the Dominos", where Eric Clapton was the front figure. The official story goes that it was written by Clapton as a love song, but as we shall see, the song was not written by Eric Clapton at all, but Debra wrote it for Clapton on his request. Moreover, it is not only a love song, but the lyrics also hides a murder story. In the presentation of Debra Hunter Pitts in Part 1, we learned that she was closely connected to both Eric Clapton and Carlos Santana, has kids with both, and that the three of them worked undercover in a group called Militia One, to halt an Illuminati coup (by Debra referred to [rightfully so] as the Nazis) against the United States. There were a lot of other celebrities involved in the Resistance as well. Debra was also interviewed earlier by the researcher and radio host Greg Szymanski on May 23, 2007. The interview can be listened to and downloaded online (if this audio file will disappear from that site, please contact me, and I will email it to you). In Part 3 here below we will discuss how the Nazi Network around her operated and ties in with globalization. We will hear how the St. Louis, Missouri branch of Masons put out a death warrant on her at the same time the Nazi captured, tied up and were going to hang Bob Jones... I am proud to let you take part of this exclusive interview I did with Debra in March, 2008:   Illuminati News Presents: The Wes Penre Interview with Debra Hunter Pitts, March 2008 [Part 3]   Poplar Bluff, Butler County, Missouri, Debra's hometown Wes: It is very informative to interview someone who has seen the New World Order Agenda from the inside like you have. You said earlier that the Nazis who kept Butler County, Missouri, in their grip were not just a local group, but tied into the whole National (and Global) Network that we know as the “Illuminati”. As a starter, can you tell us something about how you found this out and how the local Nazis glue into the bigger network, as you understand it? Debra: With our news media refusing to put the truth out, including my local media, we knew it was a national takeover, not just local. We had no choice but to assume that all nations were affected and also having many people abducted yearly. We now know that we were correct and that the governments of the world are engaged in white slave-human trafficking. It could not happen at this magnitude unless law enforcement and governments are involved. The highway patrol's job was to escort the missing persons over the highway systems in our nation. A similar plan had to exist worldwide. Wes: Absolutely, it has to, and there is plenty of evidence of that! I think it would be interesting to hear about your experiences of how this Nazi network was operating on the local level which was Butler County, Missouri. By getting some insight into this, it could possibly be a little easier for people to understand how it all works on a global scale. What do you know about how this local network was set up and how they managed to operate so freely without people in the 'outside world' having a clue? Debra: The local Nazi devils were like sociopath robots, to know one is to know them all. They had a firm grip on the education system; they had to control it in order to keep children who were their experiments under watchful eyes. The Child Protective Services was a sham that was a disgrace to the entire human race. Their role was to make sure that the children who were human experiments never got removed from the home of their Nazi owners. There were certain terms and words they used that allowed me to identify them when I didn't know their names. An example of the voucher program would be used by the school system and CPS [short for Child Protective Services, editor's note]. It meant when we asked for help they would tell us we were too young to be filing complaints; that we had to have a voucher. That meant an adult that would say we were telling the truth. It had to be that voucher; someone age twenty-one and a respectable citizen to defend us and confirm that we were abused. The voucher program was a total failure, no child ever got removed from a Nazi household. The CIA controlled bringing cocaine and heroin into the county to be distributed by the sheriff and police department. We called squad cars Nazi mobiles and their role was to transport kidnapped citizens to be used and then disposed of, including the state troopers. Poplar Bluff Courthouse The DA's office and judges chambers were a mockery of the system that didn't do anything except draw a paycheck for their titles. The Social Security Office was full of devils too, and there is no such thing as confidentiality. There is nowhere to hide because it is this department that can lead to any Nazi getting the info they want on all of us. The Employment Office's job was to make sure the good jobs go to the Nazis and the victims got very little help. The Nazis have a ring of master keys to every kind of lock to tamper with vehicles and get into houses. They hire each other and can be on the time clock and not have to be there as they are busy keeping us under surveillance. Satanism has been allowed to expand the globe by the lack of society's knowledge and ability to stop them. The world is manipulated into thinking that they exist only as small isolated groups, but the smaller groups in small towns are in contact with groups in the larger cities. The sadist tyrants all connect in a tangled web of deceit throughout an underground network in all nations. Their main objective is to destroy sovereignty in all countries and connect us under one government, allowing only one religion. They are trampling down any persons who could cause objection to their wrath. Their rule is by iron rod as they tamper with history and say they are ushering in the end game all the while, blaming Christians for that ushering. They have bashed the sense out of all of us in every possible way including destroying our education system. They are the secular humanist treasonist swine that are keeping us in a tilt as they climb their domestic terrorist pyramid. The outside world isn't fully aware that many unsolved mysteries of crimes and missing persons connect to Satanism. The majority of the population of the earth are still in the dark or just beginning to see that their governments are not what they claim they are.   Carlos Santana Wes: This is very true and is confirming my own research. They get away with it because they scratch each others' backs. That's why it's called "The Brotherhood"; you stand up for each other no matter how severe the crime. Only if you're in disgrace with the Brotherhood you will be thrown to the wolves or 'taken care of' in other ways. This is also how politics in general works, especially on a higher level. Debra: That's right Wes, and the local mass murderers referred to each other as 'good ole boys'. They are Vatican assassins that spend their entire life abducting, torturing, calling their victims heretics and witches and then killing them at will. They will kill anyone they are directed to kill, even one of their own. The Nazi Jack pranced around saying he would kill anyone including his own mother.   The Vatican is equal in wealth to the US but look at the difference in land mass. On the other hand they own most of the world by infestation and shear numbers. "Catholics by the numbers" is the shifting of the populations to anywhere on earth they want it, Globalization. They beckon to the world by miracles that are not miracles and help that never reaches the masses. We who were their slaves were kept behind the 'Invisible Curtain', in other words all of society pretended not to notice our affliction. We were underground in the sense we were not allowed to make our stories about our suffering public. We were the disenfranchised citizens without basic human rights. We lived a ghetto life style as we were not allowed the bare necessities in life. We were not allowed rights to our own bodies or privacy and had a hard time protecting our children from their perversion. Wes: One of the most (if not the most) powerful secret society in the world is Freemasonry. Have you had any direct experiences with them? Debra: I don't know how many Freemasons I've met but we all know them; we just don't know who around us is one of them. One Mason was a St. Louis truck driver name John Chadwell, who married a woman named Callie. She was Jacks [Debra's stepfather] sister and had first been married to a pedophile but devout Catholic named Jim Bello. Freemasonic grave in Poplar Bluff, Missouri Wes: I heard that the Nazis put a death warrant on you, even. What was that all about? Debra: All of us who were held hostage by the Nazis lived under a death warrant including famous folks. We knew we had cameras and guns on us at all times. When we angered the Nazis we risked not only our own lives, but we also risked the lives of the people we loved. Heartbreaks or emotional trauma was a huge part of the mental bashing they dished out to us. There was a few times that I know of that I was sold because I was missing, and sheriff Clyde Hendrix wanted me found before I did some talking. My price tag as far as I ever heard was $1,000. I had run away and hid and a woman named Eva Taylor turned me in. I don't know if she got the reward or not for my "safe return." But in about a year I was sold again by Nancy Pitts. She was old man Pierce and his wife's daughter, who where the main guards over the mass grave site. They called themselves devout Catholics and had two daughter in covenants. They also had two adopted daughters, Kathy and Karen, that were my age, and Nancy who described herself as a witch. When I met her she was married to Tom Pitts, and his brother Bill was getting a divorce at that same time, so I pretended to like the thug. Shortly before Nancy sold me was when the St. Louis Masons got wind of me and got serious about my death warrant. Nearly everyone this side of hell wanted me dead mostly for two reasons; I was a primary witness, and to stop me from forming a militia, which was already formed. After Callie married John Chadwell, a Mason from St. Louis, Missouri, he came to squirrel hunt in the woods where the mass gravesite was. I knew he wanted to see in person the site and Ken took him into the woods. Ken was brother to Callie and Jack. It was shortly after that when Callie brought me a fruit salad she had made and made me eat it. As soon as I ate it I vomited on Callie and she headed for her car and left. I never knew what was on the salad but I was very ill for a few days. I always knew that the Masons in St. Louis told John to get rid of me and it wasn't just a family affair. Again I survived attempted murder by the grace of God. Wes: These people never stop to amaze me! They are so loaded with crimes that they all the time must be terrified of getting caught or exposed. However, if they get caught, they will still stand a chance to get away with it within the Masonic court of law, but not always. What a miserable existence they live... Debra: The reason that crime is so out of control all ties in with the NWO [New World Order, editor's note] turning us against each other and mistrusting each other. The legal system is what created the secular humanist pig attitude that forces us to exist in a heartless and brainless society. We have wimpy laws that are weak on crime and the revolving doors of the courts are on instant replay. If our talking heads lawmakers made tough laws then they would be in big trouble when they, their relatives, or their friends were arrested. Our citizens under the age of fifty don't even know what Democracy is. They are conditioned to think they have it because they didn't know the system before the coup. The political apathy was created by the NWO which is the other half of our government's split personality. They don't want us to be free thinkers, they want us to be robots just like them. Keeping us hooked on drugs is another big reason for political disinterest; our citizens have a one track mind to get a fix.  Wes: You also hinted when we closed Part 2 of this interview that Bob Jones, the agent who worked with you, was in real trouble once, and that they were about to hang him. How did that turn out? Debra: Yes, Bob Jones got caught. He yelled at me one day in 1971 from near the mass grave site and I ran down the hill into the woods and saw that two men had Bob tied up. I screamed at the men that he was my secret boyfriend and that he was married. To make a long story short I ran them off. Bob's hands were tied behind his back so tight that I had to bite the rope to try to loosen it. He was a spook pro; once loosened he knew the tricks to get them off. He quickly untied his ankles and ran into the woods with the noose still hanging around his neck. I think he told me they were from the almighty sheriff's office and I know the sheriff sent snoops out there once in a while. I think they filed some minor complaints on me like beating up two other detectives. Wes: To understand even better how your life within this sick and insane community run by these people was, and from being more or less in the middle of it all, can you tell us how a 'typical' day in the life of Debra Hunter looked like when you were a child? Hargrove Bridge by Hwy 53 in Butler County, Missouri Debra: A typical day in my life would be to get up and tip toe around the house avoiding squeaky floor boards as I washed my face and combed my hair. I never had clothes that fit properly, good shoes to wear or a warm coat. I had to learn to sew and wash my own clothes from the time I was eight because no one else would. The clothing that was given to me was all I had and I ironed them and hung them neatly in my closet. Many times my best clothes would disappear from my dresser and closet. I went to school bruised and bloody all the way through school. After school I helped making supper, washing dishes, cleaning the stove off and sweeping the kitchen floor. Then I had to sit in the living room close to the TV, because they watched every move I made. Sometimes I would be made to sit on my bed for hours, and I would read. I was not allowed a bible but had one anyway and was not allowed to pray but did, and was often beat for singing gospel. Jack owned a tavern called The Sands Club on Highway 53 in the 60s and he burned it down and bought one and named it The 53 Club on Highway 53. He left at 8:00 am and didn't get back to the house until after 1:00 or 2:00 am so it was a blessing not to have him around the house although he often came in to eat supper with us. When he did I would get beaten while he was there, as we victims had to be in pain at all times as part of the human guinea pig experimentation. While I was beat or tortured, Jack would try to make me say there is no God; I refused. He would scream, "Where is your God?" I would say, "He's here and He bears witness." For all those years Jack or Helen left me laying on the floor in my own blood; not even once did any of them bring me a washrag for the blood or a drink of water. I lay there until I could crawl and I had to get the blood washed up or I would get beaten for the bloody mess I made. No one ever helped me off the floor; I was left there every night throughout my entire school years. When I was sixteen, Jack beat me up over a Nazi girl name Pat Reed, whom he claimed was keeping him informed of me, causing her trouble. I didn't know who she was until I asked someone at school. Every time I got beat up if Jack mentioned Pat ,then I would go to school and beat her up. I told her, "I'm about damn tired of your name coming up when I get beat up, so when you get tired of me beating you up, you tell Jack to quit saying your name." I beat her up until when she got pregnant, but she tried to trip me, so I grabbed her hair and smashed her head into a wall. Jack said Pat was a good girl that would dress in a sexy nightgown and seduce her father. I was given a choice of dressing sexy for Jack or getting beat up and raped. I replied, "No just beat me up and rape me, I'm used to it." Wes: It is sometimes pretty challenging to hear your testimony, because it involves so much human suffering and pain. It is hard to grasp for someone who has not experienced it him/herself. Very heartbreaking... As a matter of fact, I lived together with a survivor from MK-ULTRA (which is a government mind control program) in 1999-2000, and we did research together. She told me a very similar story from her own childhood. The way you were treated seems to be quite a standard operation in Nazi Mind Control. Anyway, knowing how the Illuminati/Nazis gain control by creating fear and terror, it's not difficult to understand how this whole criminal activity could be kept secret - people who knew did not dare to speak up. There are also rewards involved if you keep silent. This system can be pretty sophisticated and works quite well for them, although the truth is leaking out on occasion. Please tell us a little bit more about how things were covered up. Debra: Obviously from mine and other peoples facts coming out it's clear that people on the local, state and federal payroll were not doing the job they were paid to do. Their paychecks was from the Democratic part of our government, or legal money. They controlled the governments money flow into the counties and could use it any way they wanted as long as they could keep the victims mouths shut. What we called the 'Conspiracy of Silence' meant that people around us also were keeping their mouths shut and refusing to help any of us get an investigation into our county. We called those people sympathizers and considered them as guilty as the Nazis doing the killing. The Nazis had told their relatives to keep quiet about the coup and when it was over they would be filthy rich. We call that "The Nazi Instant Millionaire Game" and it was a promise that never materialized as they played and lost. They told their children to never try to help one of us victims and never try to get anyone into the county to investigate. In doing so they gambled their children's life away as they dragged them in on the conspiracy of silence and equally as guilty as the years went by of mass murder cover-up. And during all those years I listened to their relatives making remarks about how rich they're going to be. They even made jokes about how they made Jesse James look like a choir boy, and other jokes. They knew while they were waiting to get rich, people were being brought into the county from all over and slaughtered, except for those they chose to use in the sex industry. That was part of the black or illicit money as they used the citizens' children's bodies as money makers. Black money came from sex, drugs, weapons and everything perverted. For many years my mind would be pounding "survive" for hours at a time. We had to stop those Nazi no matter what, so they can't victimize the next generation, which is my children's generation. It's easy to see that our tax dollars paid for our own victimization by our own government. We paid them to slaughter us with legal money, and with black money they bought and sold until they took over the world - in broad daylight. Wes: Any particular States that were more involved than other in this human trafficking and the rest of those highly criminal activities, from what you know? Debra: The States I knew that where involved when I was a school girl was Missouri, Arkansas, Texas, Georgia, Indiana, California, New York and Washington D.C. It was later that I realized Nebraska, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky and Utah were involved, some of those I recently recognized as 'Nazified'. In fact, every county that touched Butler Co. was taken over by Nazis, including Arkansas. Main Street of Poplar Bluff, Butler County, Missouri I knew only a bit about outside of my own hometown Poplar Bluff, Butler County. Missouri. There was Chillicothe, Livingston County, Missouri. which we were always told was a juvenile camp for girls that would be beat until they learned to do as they were told. I was terrified at the mention of it. Booneville, Cooper County, Missouri was a boy camp where the boys were sent to be beat until they learned to do as they were told. Gunther Russbacher, the CIA operative, was from the St. Louis, Missouri area. He was in 'Operation Clydesdale', which was a covert operation to rescue missing children. He said about the same thing that I do, that the pedophile rings are being eliminated. I just discovered his info in the last few days at whale.to [also, you can read about it on the Rumor Mill News website, editor's note]. By the time I was in Junior High I had known that the Bowlands from Tarrant County, Texas where visiting the local Nazis in my hometown. Also, I learned that some of them from Washington County, Arkansas were visiting my hometown too. That's why I had to go to those two counties to live for a while. I go into more details about this in the interview Greg Szymanski did with me. You can listen to it at http://arcticbeacon.com/audio/2007/2007-RBN/02-2007-RBN/.   Johnny Gosch in 1982 I believe my case fits in with several cases I've learned about in the last year; The Franklin Cover-up, Johnny Gosch, Mauri, and Jim Rothstein, a NY detective [please visit Mauri's website as soon as possible after you have read this article. There is a lot of very informative and important information there, editor's note]. Those are the ones I've gotten familiar with. I have only read one book and it was about a Canadian that survived Satanism and it was, "Michelle Remembers" by Michelle Smith in 1980. Yes, some of us did contact Bridgestone Media Group in St. Louis and hope witness will step forward to get the ball rolling. Wes: Very good! The more channels we put this information on, the better! I am aware from my own research that these people pass on their criminal thinking from generation to generation; meaning the children within the cult learn how things are and 'should be' from a Nazi point of view by their parents and others within that system. Is this something you have noticed, too? Debra: Yes, they are generational but also allow new recruits. All Nazis are informants and they call themselves secret police. From the time they are children they are brainwashed by all the cultists around them. They are deliberately confused to what reality is and trained to help keep tabs on those who are their victims. They are programmed to watch the victims and catch them off guard to assault them. They yell and make a scene by accusing them of things in hopes of swaying those around them into thinking they are the bad guys. Their parents reward them and brag about how smart, good, and cute they are when they hurt other children and compare them as being stupid, bad, and ugly etc. They also are used as sexual objects just like missing children are. The Nazis split the personality for two reason that I know of: first to cause mental illness and make them easier to control, and then to destroy them mentally as reliable witnesses to all the crimes and killing they are involved in. Wes: Which brings me to this queer fact: what most people don't realize is that the majority of those cult members don't consider themselves being evil; this is the way they were brought up and taught by their parents. In their twisted way of thinking, they believe what they are doing is for the greater good, and absolutely necessary for the future of humanity. But please go on... Debra: Well, no one is touching on the true meaning of a Nazi but it would be more proper to define them as deliberately physically brain damaged peoples. They are crazy and there's no such thing as a normal minded Nazi. It is true that they drown, suffocate, smash the soft spots of top of their head, and give shots to their newborns to destroys brain cells as part of the human guinea pig experimentations. All Nazi children are trained to cough in the victims faces at school any time they are sick so they would catch their flues. They were never punished for this, but the victims that complained were harassed and called tattle tales by the teachers who themselves were Nazis. When the investigation started in 1984 there was three generations of Nazis involved in human sacrifice, cannibalism and drinking human blood. While I lived at the mass grave location I wrote a journal every Saturday night by candle light. Those went to Interpol who still has them and most of those can be made public someday. But that brings us to a major problem of the US and its role in multiple cover-ups. They don't just admit that anything is true until many decades have passed; then they continue to deny parts.   Eric Clapton I need to make sure people understand that the mass gravesite that Eric [Clapton] and I witnessed was a brand new site and the only one that I saw in person. We were one of the headquarters for Satanists; therefore the entire county had mass gravesites. We won't know how many sites until this is out there and the citizens force the media to help expose it, but the FBI and CIA have all that information. The cultists were constantly kidnapping people and that went on for three full decades that I know of. I've always thought that my county held the answer to tens of thousands of missing persons. I grew up haunted by the image of Eric and I dancing and the people around us not being aware that we were the missing link to those kidnappings. Mick Jagger, Rod Stewart and Tom Petty were only three of the many rock stars that Debi was friends with. Wes: You have briefly mentioned that you have a twin sister, Barbara, but so far we haven't talked too much about her. What was her role and what happened to her? Debra: Yes, Barbara was my twin sister and we set it up to look like she was killed and the house burned down with her in it in San Francisco in Nov 1984. The Nazis were passing around photos of her body to everybody in Butler county. It had to look like she was dead in order for her to be undercover. Once the government uses citizens for guinea pigs it has to be kept covered up. I saw sixty children about 1986 in Butler county that were rescued from the Nazis by the CIA and never knew what happened to them, but I think they were never allowed back to their parents. The CIA and FBI that we expected to help us turned out to be a bunch of bastards that came in here and put a suicide psy-op on us all, including we who were victims. The less truth that will be told in court the better for the governments as they have to be protected themselves from bad publicity even when it means killing a primary witness like me. Wes: Yes, and it's very hard to fight back when wherever you turn there is infiltration. And you definitely could not at any time get help from the police, obviously... Debra: I don't know how many cops were Nazis but it was a heck of a lot of them. They pretty well ran Butler county when I was growing up there. One time, when I was a teenager talking to some people on the street, a squad car came up and the thug that got out pistol-whipped me and I fell to the ground. I got up and said, "Take that badge off and throw it on the ground so I can spit on it because it offends me that a man wearing a badge can pistol-whip me." In 1984 when the investigation of the cover-up began, the sheriff in Butler county was named Link. Interpol already had evidence going back to 1971 and then the FBI and CIA came in and watched Link until they knew they had all his contacts. The CIA psy-op includes giving the Nazis chems and bios and before they die a dose of truth serum. I too had a dose in 1985 in Osteopathic hospital in Ft Worth. They put it in my IV tube and sent a psychiatrist in to question me. There was a lot of cops in Ft. Worth that were Nazis as of 1984. The one that was FBI that I knew by name was Mike Bond. I don't know how many more FBI there were Nazi. When I got to the area of Benton county Arkansas and into Oklahoma a little bit I knew there was some cops that were Nazi. In fact, the mind reader serial killer that I found there was a cop with a split personality who killed forty people. I sent his name and some info to NBC news in Oklahoma City in January. Wes: Thank you, Debra. We both know that there are a lot of details that can be told about what happened in Butler County, and unfortunately this interview would be way too long if we included everything. However, these series of interviews with you have been very well received by my visitors. How about if we stop here for now, but because of popular demand we can continue these discussions at a future date? Debra: Yes, seems like a good idea to me, Wes. Wes: Then I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for coming out with this extremely important information! You are very brave and you have done a lot for your country; things you can be proud of. I hope the information you've given here will spread fast and make people wake up. Debra: I hope so too. Thanks for having me, Wes. Wes: Thank you!   Wes Penre is a researcher, journalist, the owner of the domains Illuminati News and Zionist Watch and is the publisher of the same. He has been researching Globalization and the New World Order and exposed the big players behind the scenes for more than a decade now. He has published his research on the Internet at the above domains, which are currently updated to keep people informed what is going on. You can also find his articles linked up, discussed and republished all over the Internet. In addition, he has done spiritual research to present a solution to the problems of this world. His MySpace website address is: http://www.myspace.com/wespenre and you can also also visit his blog and make comments at http://wespenre.blogspot.com/. Source:  Interview with Debra Hunter Pitts, aka Layla Cries   This page may contain copyrighted material, the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. 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