Excerpts
from
"Yuri Bezmenov on
demoralization"
Interview with Yuri Bezmenov
(ex-KGB)
by
Edward Griffin - 1984
This shocking video
transcription exposes KGB's subversive tactics against western society.
In this interview, Yuri Bezmenov explains how Marxist ideology is
deconstructing America's values, destabilizing the economy, and
provoking crises in order to sovietize the free world. 
Yuri Bezmenov on
demoralization
Bezmenov on American mass media
Bezmenov on Marxists, useful idiots
Bezmenov on the Soviet system
Bezmenov on KGB interest in yoga, brainwashing
Transcript:
ED
GRIFFIN:
Well, you
spoke before about "ideological subversion" and that's a phrase that I'm
afraid some Americans don't understand. When the Soviets use the phrase
"ideological subversion" what do they mean by it?
1. YURI
BEZMENOV: Ideological
subversion is the
process which is legitimate and open. You can see it with your own
eyes.... It has nothing to do with espionage.
I know that intelligence gathering looks more
romantic.... That's probably why your Hollywood producers are so crazy
about James Bond types of films. But in reality the main emphasis of
the KGB is NOT in the area of intelligence at all. According to my
opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only
about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as
such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either
ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological
warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of
reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information
no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of
defending themselves, their families, their community, and their
country.
It's a great brainwashing process which goes
very slow and is divided into four basic stages. The first stage
being "demoralization". It takes from 15 to 20 years to
demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum
number of years required to educate one generation of students in the
country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of [their] enemy. In other
words, Marxism-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads
of at least 3 generation of American students without being challenged
or counterbalanced by the basic values of Americanism; American
patriotism.
The result? The result you can see -- most of the
people who graduated in the 60's, dropouts or half-baked
intellectuals, are now occupying the positions of power in the
government, civil service, business, mass media, and
educational systems. You are stuck with them. You can't get through
to them. They are contaminated. They are programmed to think and
react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern [alluding to Pavlov].
You can not change their mind even if you expose them to authentic
information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is
black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of
behavior.
In other words [for] these people the process of
demoralization is complete and irreversible. To rid
society of these people you need another 15 or 20 years to educate a new
generation of patriotically minded and common sense people who would be
acting in favor and in the interests of United States society.
ED
:
And yet these people who have been programmed and as you say [are] in
place and who are favorable to an opening with the Soviet concept -
these are the very people who would be marked for extermination in this
country?
YURI
: Most of them, yes. Simply because the psychological shock
when they will see in [the] future what the beautiful society of
EQUALITY and social justice means in practice, obviously they will
revolt. They will be very unhappy [and] frustrated people, and
Marxist-Leninist regime does not tolerate these people. Obviously they
will join the [ranks] of dissenters; dissidents. Unlike the present
United States there will be no place for dissent in future
Marxist-Leninist America. [Now] you can get popular like Daniel
Elsburg and filthy rich like Jane Fonda for being a dissident [and] for
criticizing your Pentagon. In [the] future these people will simply be
[he makes a squishy noise] squashed like cockroaches for criticizing the
government. Nobody is going to pay them nothing for their beautiful
[and] noble ideas of EQUALITY. This they don't understand and it will be
the greatest shock for them, of course.
The demoralization process in the United States is
basically completed already for the last 25 years. Actually, it's
over fulfilled because demoralization now reaches such areas where not
even Comrade Andropov and all his experts would even dream of such
tremendous success. Most of it is done by Americans to Americans
thanks to lack of moral standards. As I mentioned before,
exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person
who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts
tell nothing to him, even if I shower him with information, with
authentic proof, with documents and pictures. ...he will refuse to
believe it.... That's the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.
2. The next stage is destabilization.... It only
takes 2 to 5 years to destabilize a nation. This time what matters is
essentials; economy, foreign relations, [and] defense systems. And you
can see it quite clearly that in some... sensitive areas such as defense
and [the] economy, the influence of Marxist-Leninist ideas in the
United States is absolutely fantastic. I could never believe it 14
years ago when I landed in this part of the world that the process will
go that fast.
Most of the American politicians, media, and
educational system train another generation of people who think they
are living at the peacetime. False. United States is in a state
of war; undeclared, total war against the basic principles and
foundations of this system. And the initiator of this war is not
Comrade Andropov of course - it's the system. However, ridiculous it may
sound, [it is] the world Communist system, or the world Communist
conspiracy. Whether I scare some people or not, I don't give a hoot.
If you're not scared by now, nothing can scare you.
ED
:
Okay, so what do we do? What is your recommendation to the American
people?
YURI
: Well, the immediate thing that comes to mind is, of course,
there must be a very strong national effort to educate people in the
spirit of REAL patriotism, number one. Number two, to explain [to] them
the real danger of socialist, communist, welfare state, Big Brother
government.... The moment at least part of [the] United States
population is convinced that the danger is real, they have to FORCE
their government, and I'm not talking about sending letters, signing
petitions, and all this beautiful, noble activity, I'm talking about
FORCING [the] United States government to stop aiding
Communism.... and it is very easy to do; no credits, no technology,
no money, no political or diplomatic recognition...